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yep, so, i wanna know what do u think about that straight edge?

16 Feb 2010, 17:51
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Morjens Piia!!!

I think straight edge is lifestyle certain people decides to take for different reasons,, I'm not sXe for but I've got many friends in the past,, some of hem quit and some of them stayed like that but it is not good when sxe people starts taking negative and close minded point of views and thinking they got the "absolute truth" just because they're sober and "clean".

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Eh, I am Straight Edge, but I am the only one in a group of 10 close friends who is. I do it for some health reasons related to the alcoholism in my family. I do it for myself and don't really see myself at any higher authority on things. I have seen other edge kids at shows who act holier than thou about this. That to me is stupid. The entire Punk/Hardcore scene was built around unity through diversity, and keeping a lifestyle "Clique" is the opposite of that.

To be honest, I go to parties and hangout with those who drink, smoke weed, do drugs, and more. I just didn't feel like it was for me.

Screw those who act high and mighty about edge, they don't get it.

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Straight edgery has sort of blown up (for lack of a better word) over the years ever since the concept was first established, and in fact, there probably doesn't even need to be such a concept at all. Nonetheless, as robopunx said, it's a personal decision people make for a number of reasons -- nothing more, nothing less. I've been straight-edge my entire life for various reasons, but I only just found out a couple years ago what the definition of straight-edge was when a friend of mine introduced me to Minor Threat (though the definition of straight-edge can be debated).

The fact that someone is straight-edge shouldn't vastly affect them or the people around them in any way. Someone who has made the decision to be straight-edge shouldn't shove their ideals down somebody's throat, and somebody who isn't straight-edge shouldn't shove their ideals down the throat of somebody who is straight-edge. As xdman2413x said also, one shouldn't act "holier than thou" just because they're abstinent from recreational drugs. Though I don't like to use the label "poser," that's essentially what I think of people like this as since they seem to think of it more as a way to be cooler than everybody else as opposed to thinking of it as a way to better one's self.

We're probably dwelling into it more than we need to. I'm actually somewhat against the term of "straight-edge" since punk, to me, is very anti-clique and anti-label. But as I previously mentioned, it has sort of blown up over the years and appears to be something negative to a lot of people for no apparent reason, when in fact remaining abstinent from recreational drugs should be supported. People often say "You'll ruin your life if you do drugs," but they don't actually mean it.


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It's not for no apparent reason. Lol, no one should need to support you in a moral/health decision, and that's what straight-edge boils down to--a moral/health decision based on ignorance. Either you don't do drugs because you think they're bad for your health, or you don't do them because you are made to feel bad by societal standards, you feel guilty for intaking a chemical while ignoring the thousands of mind-altering chemicals you consume every day that are socially acceptable.

Yes, being straightedge does vastly affect you, it is a willful ignorance.

Caffeine, latching on to the one you mentioned. Your use of caffeine almost assuredly has worse effects on your heart than my use of cocaine because of the difference in how often we use the two, my use of cocaine has almost no affect on me at all since I do it inoften and I exercise daily/eat right. Your use of caffeine, on the other hand, will likely take a few years off your life if you continue with it. So why do you use caffeine? Obviously not because you're concerned about your health. I am concerned about my health, I take l-tyrosine b-vitamins and multi-vits and eat an apple and some nuts in the morning instead of coffee and a bagel. You are shortening your life and I am lengthening mine. And I take 5-htp, recently switched from St John's Wort to try the difference. 5-htp is a precursor to seratonin, it is a natural anti-depressant and sleep aid, this shit alters your perception as much(just not as noticably) as any drug. I use it because it is healthy, it's not fluorine based like SSRI's(it doesn't slow brain function) and it helps counter-act the effects of all the sick processed shit I eat sometimes. Used to use melatonin, didn't like it, and I've thought of Tryptophan but in my opinion tryptophan is just for idiots who can't handle their own doses because 5-htp if overused can lead to an excess of seratonin in your blood instead of where you want it(in your brain). And also, protein messes with the conversion of tryptophan>5-htp>seratonin, and I intake a shitload of protein.

These are all drugs which I use or have used to combat the disgusting chemicals found in the food they sell at every crap-filled grocery store, restaurant and coffee shop I've ever heard of. This is the nature of the illogic of straight-edge. Whether or not you are willing to accept it, everything you eat is a chemical structure, everything contains trace amounts of drugs that alter your perception. If you don't use these drugs to your advantage and instead ignore them, you are doing your body and your mind a great deal of harm.

Now these are all vits and nootropics, should I go into the health/perceptual benefits of entheogens, marijuana, etc.? Drugs which you consider 'recreational'. This is not me shoving ideals down your throat, this is science. Here's a nice little chemical protip that no doctor or psychiatrist will ever tell you: serotonin is synthesized in the gut. Therefore, the more healthy your gut is, the better you will be able to absorb and synthesize serotonin. Therefore, the crap you shovel into your mouth that is so bad for your gut--all the high fructose corn syrup and hydrogenated oils especially--is not only killing you, it's chemically guaranteeing your depression until said death! Until you take hold of the chemicals you're pumping into your own veins, you're no better than a fuckin heroin-addict.

Everything in our universe is a chemical structure, either you learn them and use them to your advantage, or they fucking eat you alive. Not using some of these chemicals to your advantage because of silly societal standards is... well, silly. They can look down on me for smoking marihuana if they want, I look down on them for using fluorine-based prescriptions and eating all the shit they do, the difference is that my views are based on science and theirs on ignorance. You can kill/make yourself depressed all you want if it makes you feel like a man, Imma' go over here and be happy/live a long time.

No one is going to take the reins and make you healthy--certainly not Ian Mackaye--if you want to be healthy it takes a shitload of knowledge that you have to go out and /learn/ instead of taking people's word for everything.




Oh, and just so you don't feel bad, I argue with everyone. I actually agree with many of your sentiments, although I think it's ironic that you use a label on something you consider anti-label. I consider logic to be anti-label, every individual requires individual analysis to form unbiased hypotheses, therefore it is illogical in any situation to generalize people. Atleast if your concern is with truth and not with simply feeling good about yourself.

Also, I don't believe anyone should support any personal choice. If someone says, "Hey, I made that choice too! I'm glad we are of like mind." than that is perfectly logical, but to judge people(support some and not others) based on personal choice is ignorant, especially when you understand not a single iota about their choices or even about them. For example, most people think I'm an idiot for saying these things, and then reverse their opinion and take note when they get to know me and find out I have a background in chemistry and I'm not just making this shit up because I hate the system... the system is just built to fuck you right down to that burger you ate for lunch, the bagel you had for breakfast and that can of coke you're about to drink. I can tell you that taking your nutrition into your own hands is one of the most liberating things you can do. My body and my mind are no longer slaves to the chemicals released by big business. I am happier, healthier, more lucid, and more outspoken than ever before in my life, thanks to drugs. Thanks, I should say to the science that allows me to make informed decisions about which drugs to intake and which not to.


EDIT: I realized after re-reading this that it kinda seems like I'm advocating all drugs, up to that last sentence anyway. Just wanted to say that obviously not all drugs are good for you, I am just saying that ignoring all of them because some of them harm you is fucking stupid. Generalization, it turns out, does not work on chemicals either. Well... alright, I won't go into that /longwindedness.

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23 Jun 2011, 18:30
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just like every movement there is in this world, it has it goods and bads.

im straight edge becuase i to want to be healthy but most importantly i a man who like to stay focus, know my where abouts, be in control, stay in tune my thoughts. and lets face it getting drunk or high kills these. not that it a bad thing but it just how i am.

to be honest, this is off subject but im really sick of this departing from every thing and every one. i bring this up becuase it seem in the punk rock and skinhead world straight edge is a something everyone has to make a remark of whether it positive or against it. it a choice for you to make. who gives a shit other than that.

it not just with sXe. im all about unity. i have this thought that i can be myself with all trends. i'm cool with every one, well almost every one. some i cant control. but anyways straight edge kids chill with friends in bar. does that make me non straight edge? a skinhead sing a screw driver song, does that make me racist? a punk wearing skinnin jeans, does that make me emo? a skater chilling with street racer, does that make me a poser? a cholo chilling with 18st or ms13, does make me a gangster? a thug with a gun, does that make me a criminal? an anarchist having dinner with a cop, does that make me a poser?

no it doesn't mean shit.

people need to get over about lot of thing.

none of it make sence. the point im trying to make is that we cant seem to be something without hating on something. racist it most commond, but what if two guys we're almost alike, share the same hobbies, share the same thoughts but whats depart them is there skin color. REALLY.

bring love to your heart, and share them withouts. stop trying to fight every one into thinking like you. be real and do what you do without worrying about other thoughts.

Edgers, come to one of my partys, and see if you dont have fun. punx's come to a bond fire with me and see if you dont have a nice easy night. skins come to a jam with me a see if you cant resist to dance with a girl. gangster come to a spanish festival and see all the ms13 and 18st and nesta and latin kings having fun to the spanish music.

HAVE FUN AND STOP FIGHTING, REAL REGONIZES REAL


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I almost agree with you. Unless ofcourse you're talking about my argument. Or argument in general. I don't fight with people I disagree with, I argue with them. That is the best way to spread information--that is the point, I thought, of being on the internet. I don't come here to get some instant gratification, if that was my aim I would be looking at porn. My aim in being on the internet is to find opposing views to mine and measure the validity of said views objectively, or as objectively as is possible for us humans. For the final time on this website "ARGUING IS NOT FIGHTING" get tougher skin if you can't take being told you're wrong... because you are, and any intelligent person will tell you so--for your own good!

"im straight edge becuase i to want to be healthy but most importantly i a man who like to stay focus, know my where abouts, be in control, stay in tune my thoughts."

Did you read my post? You are intaking mind-altering drugs, the fact that you don't note which you are intaking doesn't mean you are abstaining. My point is that you aren't as focused, you're not as in control, and you're not as intune with your thoughts as you could be. Look into Nootropics, entheogens, and vits, these are real chemicals with real EMPIRICALLY DEMONSTRABLE results The opposites of these chemicals, the ones that slow down your brain function and stop you from producing as much serotonin(the chemical in your brain that regulates euphoria[happiness] and also affects your memory and ability to take in new information--ie your ability to learn!) are found in food you eat every day. This means that your brain is being slowed down because you haven't looked into the chemistry of amino acids, proteins, and vitamins. You are ignoring drugs that could be helping you vastly while taking all the ones that affect you negatively just because big corporations are packaging them nicely for you. That is ignorance on a massive scale.

I guaran-fuckin-tee you I'm more healthy than you, there's no way you could be more healthy than me without either perfect genetics or chemical/anatomical knowledge atleast the equal to mine, which it is clear you don't have.

This isn't my opinion, I'm not hating on anyone, this is science that I learned in college, and more-so in books by good chemists, good people trying to warn the world that they're killing and dumbing themselves down as per Big Brother's plan. I am trying to help you, you should get the fuck away from the tendency that makes you assume any criticism is negative. As it turns out, sometimes you're just wrong and science is right, and I'm trying to help you by pointing this out.

I'm not going to shut up because I hurt a few people's feelings--with the TRUTH--I'm going to keep going because I've encouraged a number of people already to take their lives into their own hands, to study the shit they're cramming into their mouths, and to make more intelligent decisions in the future.

One of my friends used to be straight-edge, now drinks a glass of red wine every night(his choice, I don't drink wine) as well as St. John's Wort, L-tyrosine, B6, and multivits every day on my suggestion and works out 5 days a week(often with me), and I also made a few meal-plans for him and taught him to READ LABELS on his food. You know that group of chemicals they call 'ingredients'? It turns out all of those have an affect on your body and many on your mind, if you ignore them it is a safe assumption that you get the worst results. He's been doing this for 6 months now he said, I think, and he's thinking of dropping the St. John's to see if he can note the difference in his own behavioural patterns. A very intelligent guy who has taught me as much as I have taught him. Good thing he doesn't take offense every time I say "What the fuck are you doing, you moron?" and neither do I take offense when he says it to me. We pay attention, instead, to the advice of a man we respect.

If you can only respect someone by ignoring the differences between you, you are not really respecting anything but yourself. I recognize and respect conflicting OPINIONS, but when your OPINION is contrary to my KNOWLEDGE, I can't help but say something. And I expect people to do the same for me, positions reversed. <-----This is how you learn, without following this principle, man can do naught but remain in a pool of his own filth--ignorance.

I'M HAVING FUN. DOES YOUR REAL RECOGNIZE THE REALITY OF MINE, OR WAS THAT A FALSE ANALOGY?

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24 Jun 2011, 20:27
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Non im talking about everyone in general. including me. and i dont blame you for arguing and it your opinion. who am i to tell you otherwise. when it start getting insulting and saying shit like im wrong, that when it a dumb arguement. if being straight edge is wrong than ok it wrong but there not one thing you can say or do to stop it, so why bother arugeing with me.

im stating the fact that people need to relax because it bothers you that im straight edge yet im out minding my own business and not giving a shit about yours. be angry for all i care im just letting you know that while your on this site talk shit and being angry, im out having a good time and happy.

this whole talk about vitamin and protien and food and brain chemicals. your thinking way to far ahead. dont get me wrong, it nice to know and i will take this and question straight edge. but vitamin doesnt completely affect me where im not awere like herion. protien doesnt get me drunk and out of control. and sorry if me eatting food consider me non straight edge, ALRIGHT i rather be non straight edge than starve to death. now these chemical that affect, if i could than i get rid of them, but i can't. but i choose straight edge for now not to make it worse with tobaccoo and alcohol and drugs.

now for you to guaran-fuckin-tee your more healthy than me, then your just another ignorant person who wants to be better in every way. what make it more sad is that you dont know me from a hole in the wall and never seen me before. how do you know that im not a fatass who eats burger king every day?
how do you im not a athlete who works out every day? how do you know im not a skinny twig who suffer from bulimia? how do you know how what color my hair?

you dont know shit about me, so for you to claim that make you the worst ignorant person you can be. now there a chance that your more healthy. those chances can be 50-50, 70-30, or even 99-1. but you dont know and neither do i.

as far as knowlede, again you dont know. just like i dont know. now you got this science on me, science was not my strongest, infact probably my weakest. but let me ask you this. can you speak anyother language?

thanks for you concern, but i really dont need your help. there nothing you have that i need nor want from you. i happy as it is, wheather im am or not as healthy as you or as smart as you, doesnt bother me one bite.

now all criticism, one way or another, is negative. for example we dont believe in white power, we think white power wrong and we can have a million to one to agree with us, but that one is still insulted, there for it negative. your a science dude, i more on religion side and that alone is negative to you. and science one way or another is negative to me.

and im not asking you to shut up, nor agureing your point. what im asking is for the people who feelings you hurt with "the truth" to not give a shit about your "truth" and go on to something that makes them happy.

as for your friend. that awesome. agree with that. in fact i agree on many of these suggestion. i love my water instead of soda, i love my vegatable instead of candy and i workout every day, the gym 3 time a week (mon,wen,fri), mma (tues,thur,sat), and a light jog on sunday. to be honest i quit interested on how you work out. maybe i could learn a thing or two from you.

now you do have a point on respecting other. but i wouldnt say im ignoring the differences, however i would say i dont understand the differences and theres and say men fear most what they dont understand and if i did then i wouldn't want to change that about you because that what make you YOU, and that all im trying to point out, just be you, do your thing, have no regrets or as little as possible, dont worry about those have no interest in you or have bad image of you, be with people you can connect to and if they're interested share each others feelings and thoughts and become family.

Does my real recognize you as real. so far i would say yes. like i said i dont know you from a hole in the wall.

my real is staying true. and not that straight edge bullshit. staying true to your family, to your enemys, to your friends, to a stranger, and most of all to yourself. not lying to becomes better, not acting to impress, cry when your sad, laugh with happiness. stand in my way, dont remove just go around. do your best to forgive your enemy for not knowing what they do and love thy neighbors, threating me or my family, stand one soldier strong and defend or die trying. if you can respect this then to me your real.


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Straight edge itself isn't wrong, it's a choice, it can't be wrong. It can, however, have a negative impact on your life.

What I meant was that the assumptions you make when you say "straight-edge" are wrong. For example, most straight-edgers never thought to inquire as to the definition of a 'drug' before they swore allegiance. A drug, as it turns out, is any chemical that, when absorbed into a living body, alters regular body function. So, yes, abstaining from all drugs is... not wrong, but impossible. So if you aren't abstaining from all drugs, what are you really doing? Abstaining from what popular opinion(the worst force to trust) tells you are drugs. The thing about public opinion is that the common man is a fool. Some of these things you don't take because of public opinion are very good for you, while some things you take because it is socially acceptable are very bad for you. Both cases involve drugs.


I'm not angry lol, I'm just trying to tell you something that might help you. Doing so any less emotionally-charged would be a lie, for you see I truly feel this strongly about it. You are being hoodwinked by a popular opinion forged by governments and big businesses and it is negatively affecting your life. For real, that is what I believe and am trying to tell you. The only purpose I have in writing this message is to try to help you.


You'd get rid of chemicals that affect you if you could? Even the ones with positive affects? Did you know it's a chemical in your brain that ALLOWS you to be happy? Without Serotonin, you can not possess feelings of euphoria. It also improves your memory and literally makes you learn better. Technically speaking, Serotonin affects you more than heroin does. That is the chemical I was telling you about that is synthesized in your gut, you produce less of it when you consume the shit produced by big business which means you are directly, chemically making yourself depressed. I take a 5-htp supplement, which converts into Serotonin. My favourite drug in the world, right there. I've had trouble sleeping since I was 13, been mildly depressed for as long as I can remember, had trouble remembering shit. Those problems as well as all the other problems they caused are gone thanks to 5-htp. With no side-effects. Literally, this could help millions of people who are clinically depressed who instead are turning to horrible alternatives like xanax that actually are bad drugs, completely because of popular opinion. Most of my teenage life is a blur of pain because I was always dead tired and pissed off, and it could have been avoided if I had known about 5-htp. That's fucking stupid, and knowing what I do, I believe I have a right to be upset. 5 of the best years of my life are gone because of chemical depression and a society that would not allow me to find the cure.


The health comment was a note aimed at your assumption that following the straight-edge doctrine makes you more healthy. I am primely concerned with my health at this point in my life, because I want to enjoy the rest of it. I work out 5 days a week(mon, wed, fri weight-training, sunday and thursday are just static holds and random training like hitting the bag, skipping, under-water punching, I mix it up. And I run every morning, except Sunday) Everything I put into my body is gauged for a chemical result, I have a very strict diet which I rarely deviate from, and I take all the best supps. If I do deviate it's followed by some psyllium husk, raw ginger, and water to minimize the affects of the chemicals in the burger or onion rings or whatever other disgustingly delicious poison I randomly decided I should eat. Fuckin' poutine man... you guys are all lucky if you don't live in Canada, the one poison that is fucking with me the worst is poutine... That's usually what it is when I deviate from my diet, it's just so damn delicious. But yeah, the psyllium husk and ginger help. Ginger is good for your blood pressure too. Raw ginger, not pills, I eat like 4" of that shit/day. NOMNOM. Ginger is a drug too, by the way. See, that is what makes it definite that I am healthier than you, unless you have better genetics. It's very unlikely that you exercise more, and I know you don't take all the chemicals that I do that make my body run a hell of a lot better.


I speak quite a bit of french, and a little spanish, german and I know quite a bit of latin just from reading philosophy and science shit. I can figure out what someone needs and help them in french, but in spanish and german I'm lost if they speak in full sentences, individual words and short phrases are all I got there. I wish I knew more french, I took 11 years of it in school, but my teachers were incredibly discouraging in elementary and high school. No one can learn for you though, I guess.


I respect that you don't care whether or not you are as healthy/lucid as someone else, but doesn't it worry you that you aren't as healthy/lucid as you could be?


Criticism is not always negative. You said you train mma, if your instructor tells you you're standing like a caveman, do you think his intent is to offend you or to help you? I tell my friends that all the time when they want to spar with me, because they /are/ standing like cavemen and I want to help them learn to use a proper stance because it could save their lives one day. I criticize them because I believe there is something wrong with what they're doing and I want to help them. If they say "No, this is how I stand, I like it more." Fine then, I can accept a different opinion. So I throw some head-kicks at them(sparring helms, ofcourse) and assumably they will call time out angrily because they think I'm going too hard, I'll tell them to get up on the balls of their feet, and if they do it they'll notice the difference. There you go, I helped him with criticism. But if you are unwilling to try my method, you can never be sure which is better... I've tried your method, brah, and I'm never going back =P

I don't know how you could say science is negative, but I'm gonna leave that one alone. If you're interested, Fyodor Dostoevsky's book The Brothers Karamazov has a very interesting plot concerning religion, logic, etc. My favourite story ever written, and Dostoevsky was catholic. For a Catholic, he sure did create a convincing atheist. Chapter 35, 'rebellion' brings tears to my eyes every time, no loving God could watch those things happen and not help, I don't know how Dostoevsky could write that argument and not be convinced. Any world in which a child suffers could not possibly be a moral one, in my opinion. This world is either amoral or completely evil, but more than likely morality is just a lie. It's worth looking that chapter up at online-literature.com, I feel that every human being should read atleast that one chapter.


"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."--Carl Sagan.

I'm a student of science, and a firm believer that "the truth will set you free". Suppression of uncomfortable ideas has repeatedly led humanity into folly time and time again all throughout recorded history. I won't let my life become just another page in that stupid book. I am concerned, primarily, with the truth, whether or not it coincides with what I would like to believe. For example, I would love to believe in an omniscient creator that loves all people equally and will accept me into his glorious kingdom when I die, but logic points in a different direction, so I leave my fantasy as a fantasy, I do not believe simply because I /want/ to believe, I believe what is apparent because there is no reason whatsoever to believe anything else.


If you really want training advice from me, here it is: take 1-2 days off/week and just jog those days, I jog every day like I said, except sunday. Muscles grow and everything in your body regenerates when you rest, working out 7 days a week is a good way to get ripped, but a bad way to live long. It's hard on your joints, your bones, and your blood. This is what happens to cops all the time, they're in killer condition until they're 35 and then it's instant obesity and a plethora of health problems. Don't burn yourself out young, you can live and be healthy for a long time if you pace yourself.

Secondly, most people only work out muscles that look good, which is fucking narcissistic and stupid. Your stabilizing muscles are your best friends in every-day life. Kettlebells are awesome for this, just be fucking careful, lots of people mess themselves up trying to use kettlebells that are too big too soon. Kettlebell training uses momentum unlike traditional weight-training, if you aren't used to momentum-training and you use a weight that's too big you could have a serious injury on your hands. All around, kettlebells are probably my favourite piece of equipment, but if you're weight-training whatsoever you should be doing squats. I do squats twice a week for 2 months and then give my back a break for a month then repeat because I have a bad back. You should take atleast 2 months off/year from squats or your back will eventually get fucked. And as for benching, I only bench press with dumbbells, I find regular benching to be a waste of time when you could be using dumbbells and training all the same muscles plus your stabilizers. Another cool little exercise for the stabilizing muscles in your arms is to get a pair of hard rubber pistols(yes, toy guns) you hold them in your hands normally, place the barrels on the ground and do push-ups. That shit will make you a BOSS guaranteed. It's fuckin' hard though, careful you don't fall and break your wrist. Another thing is gymnastics, balance is one of the most important factors in body control, I do hand-stands and walk around like that, back-flips, hand-springs, balance-beam action, and juggle, which I believe gives me a distinct advantage in a fight. Gonna' learn capoeira one day, lol.

Eat right. All the exercise in the world is a waste without enough proteins and vitamins to foster healthy muscle growth.

Listen to people with more experience, but don't do anything stupid. Research things before you do them and you'll never go wrong.



As for my comment about ignoring the differences, what I meant was that you should like people with different opinions, as long as their opinions are logical. For example, some people don't believe in evolution. I don't respect this because it is illogical, evolution has been clearly demonstrated many times, all you have to do is think about what a 'dog' is and it is proven for you. Now, a friend of a friend of mine took part in a study on evolution, their theory is contrary to Darwin's natural selection(which I believe in), they say obviously that evolution is real, but they believe the creation of new species depends more upon migration than the ability to survive. They bring some very convincing facts to the table, but I believe Darwin's theory is much more likely. I respect him immeasurably for coming up with a contrary theory to Darwin's natural selection other than "magical bearded guy in the sky". See, I respect him for having a different opinion, and at the same time I do nothing but laugh at creationists for having a different opinion... because my friend's friend's opinion is based on logic, on observable facts, while creationism is based on wishful thinking and willful ignorance. They are not equal, so I will not treat them as such.

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I won't treat someone I respect the same as someone who believes every animal in the world lived within walking distance of Noah's crib. Or that two individuals could parent an entire healthy specie.

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"Have no regret" I hate that. A good man regrets much. You can't tell me you've lived a perfect life? Regretting past actions is the maker of personal morality. And feeling proud when you don't deserve to rots the soul.

I respect anyone who stands up for what he believes in, and moreso those whose beliefs are based on reason. There is nothing else in man worth respecting. Even love without sacrifice is just vanity.

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I couldn’t agree with you more, straight edge kids pisses me off more than drug user do. Going as far as not taking aspiring when having a massive headache, ridiculous, or as little as putting down or as far as beating up on user is too ridiculous.

I want to make it clear that when I claim straight edge, I mean no smoking which i hoping you can understand, no drink alcohol which again you can understand. But when I comes to drugs, please understand when I say drugs im talking about the drugs when you know it taking abnormal affect on you. taking a motrin, your'll never feel the affect, take 25 of the shit, your'll end up real fucked up or dead. understand it the feeling i dont want to embrass. one drag of marijuana, a pinch of coke, 1/16 of herion, a whole bottle of couch sryup, a dozen pills, you are high and thats that. but one asprin to help with headache, one motrin it help with swelling, one sleeping pill to help you sleep, be honest; it no where near these other drugs.

believe me i appreciate you trying to help, i really do. you have to understand tho that im a roll with the punches kind of dude. i really dont bother to see or fight how the government is fucking with me. i know the government fucks me in the ass and mouth and in the each ear, but that the life we live and i cant really dont nothing legal about it to stop it so i just focus on thinking about me , having fun in my life, making sure my family never have to worry about the bullshit in hand, taking care of everybody, living in my own land.

what i meant which the chemicals is i cant change that. what affect me, affect me good or bad. that just how the bodying is, but again you dont notice the affection of serotonin. you notice how fucked up herion can get you. and i cant OD on serotonin. to tell you the truth i kind of lost on the whole subject. i mean i happy you found something make you not depressed and help you remember better, i dont have that problem or i least i dont see it as one, so could care less about serotonin.

what make this sad is that you cant mentally find happiness yourself, you need a drug to help you realize all this and to keep it from herising you keep taking this drug. now that cool, good for you, do what you feel like you go to do. but now you sound like these big businesses that selling me all this information on how great the product is, for me to buying in which now your contradicting yourself. to me it sound like another product that cheat to be happy. for example all these fat losing product supplements, muscle gaining shakes, steroid. dont get me wrong i use supplements such as sytha 6 and whey. and im cheating for me to feel happy about my self but at least i can see the truth.

it cool, i know the health commit was just in the heat of the momment. i do it to with people wanting to kick my ass. because i fully train mma so i beg people to fight me especially because im so calm all the time and friendly they think im a pussy, and that im legally handicap but when they find out i can bang and break bones, to me is the funnest fucking thing on earth.

Whats this poutine man, you make it sound good. and dude, we amaericans eat sundays with bacon, not to brag and believe me i not, but come on, i dont think you can get any worst than that.

for kicks tho, let say you are healthyer than me. your relying on all this psyllium husk, ginger, 5-htp stuff to keep you in health. i said science was my weakest subject but i know this, once you stop all this, your body goes to shit and mines will stay the same. and not to one up you but it already seem i work more on my body than you. like i say cardio to keep up with my mma and weight traing to gain strength every mon,wens,fri. typical mma (wrestling, kickboxing, muay thai, ju jitsu) every tues, thur, sat and i do run every day including sundays.

well im hispanic, so spanish was my frist language, it took me more than half my life to learn whats consider the 2nd hardest common language in the world and to write it make it even harder. so there.

i do care about my health and lucid, but if anything that this world taught me, you dont have to be healthy to have a loving family, freinds, girlfriend, or even my dog. you to have to be a genius to get ahead in this world. Geroge w Bush, taught me that.

you have a good point on criticism. let me farther explain. it is how i take or you take it. if i took i as im slacing, and he letting me know this than no it not negative. but if i take it as fuck you i cant help it and then it negative. wrong or right, intelligent or dumb, it still one way or another negatve. it still hurt my feeling and hurt feeling is never right. Cool that you help your friends out but now you’re forcing them to do what your think is right.

You right science is not negative, I see it perfectly fine, I just hate it when science cancels out faiths cause im a mad with faith. So sorry if I sounded naïve about that. And I will surly look that up as soon as I have the time. And just to be clear just because I’m a man of faith and strongly believe in god and Jesus Christ. Im not nowhere near the religion freaks. What I believe in make me label as a Christian but I see myself more as an agnostic. As much as I believe in this, I not gonna say “god real and that jesus is his son” because im realistic and I cant prove that because I don’t know. Never been to a church of religion shake and believe me im no angel.

I never really take days off, even when I run on Sundays, I run hard. Just because I have all this energy to kill and if I chill for the day im never going to sleep and sleeping is one of the most important things to for your body. Im on this training program by chirs gethin. I switch it up every day. On Mondays I work on chest, triceps, and abs. Wednesday, Back, biceps and calves. On Friday legs, shoulders and abs again. And every week I do two of the same workout as I did last week change one every week for each part.

Capoeira is an art. But not at all good for MMA. You sound like one of these kiai master. Thinking that shit works you’re a fool.

Im gonna sit here a say I eat healthy every day. I cheat maybe two three times a week. But I do take proteins supplements and vitamins every day.

When I say real recognizes real, a individual who can see, different or not, that this person is real. i live in my punk rock world( that sound so dumb), but I cool with a lot of gang members from the MS13 to 18st, Nesta to latin kings. And living in a completely different world and disagreeing with a lot of their ways, I can see that they’re still real and mean business and don’t fuck around with the bullshit.

Again, i maybe religious, but im not dumb. Evolution is a fact. Darwin’s the theory is not a theory, it a fact. Big bang, is a theory and from science I believe is a fact. Now just because I have faith doesn’t mean I ignore science. Now what fucks with me here is that you say you respect him and his opinion, but you laugh at him. The last thing your doing is respecting. Your mocking him and that fucked up. And fuck that Noah bull shit, man. Get real, and stop contradicting your self. “what I meant was that you should like people with different opinions, as long as their opinions are logical.” “I won't treat someone I respect the same as someone who believes every animal in the world lived within walking distance of Noah's crib.” so you really don’t respect no one if you can respect people with differents strong beliefs.

I never say I live a perfect life. I have my small regrets and large regrets and I have my demons in me that I wish I didn’t have. The difference is I don’t dwell on my regrets, I use them to make me a better person. And the demons I have, I face them every day, most times I win, some times I don’t. and that who make me me and I proud of myself and that all I need. I live in a world where it’s shit all the love or money in the world cant change that. So I take my shit and make the best of it, Healthy or not, smart or dumb, rich or poor, faith or facts. And that the way to live.


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God damnit... I had started writing a reply and then I read the rest of your post. You're religious? Holy shit, now I know where the fake acceptance of logic comes from. You pretend you're carrying on a Socratic debate, but you really aren't soaking in a god damn word I'm saying. Fuck I hate religion, stop polluting your mind with absolute truths. I started arguing with you that you're an idiot for preaching to me about not being able to 'make myself happy mentally', because it has been proven that chemicals are responsible for deciding whether or not you're happy. You can make yourself unhappy even if you have a healthy amount of serotonin, which is what you're talking about. You can be a whiny depressed little bitch because you got dumped, yes that's true. It turns out that it's chemically impossible to feel happy without enough Serotonin though. I was chemically depressed, you ignorant cunt, there os no morality involved. HUH, science works, who the fuck would have thought. Stop being an ignorant cunt, I take these supplements for reasons your religious brain could not begin to understand. It's called motherfuckin chemistry, asshole, and as it turns out, it completely affects everything in our universe, not to mention our bodies.

That almost made me realize this conversation was pointless and then I read you say that capoeira doesn't work... Lol do you know who Anderson the motherfuckin Spider Silva is? Yeah, you're correct, he's the greatest pfp fighter in the world, and he swears by capoeira. That makes you look stupid. He doesn't use pure-capoeira, ofcourse, every fighter knows that sticking to one style is a weakness, but pretending that Silva's capoeira doesn't give him an EXTREME advantage is fucking ridiculous. Watch some of the best fighters in the world fear his capoeira, lol, but obviously you know more than all these world-class fighters that Anderson has made look like children with his fighting dance. Check out Marcus aurelio too, bro. not at all good for mma... gtfo. Anderson is LITERALLY the greatest mixed martial artist in the world at this moment, you know that, right? Lol, I guess you, or whatever idiot told you that, knows more about MMA than anderson though, fuckin dumb anderson lol, he doesn't know shit about fighting... using capoeira... pfft, I'd kick his ass, what an amateur.

Lol not when I know they're wrong about their strong beliefs, like Christians and you for this argument, no I don't respect illogical children. I KNOW that every animal in the world doesn't live in walking distance from Noah's house, that's not a fucking opinion. Do you know what continents separated by oceans signify? Uh, that you can't fuckin walk across them! There are different animals on every continent. So obviously I don't fucking respect anyone who thinks noah could have gathered every animal in the world, because that's a stupid fucking belief. It's not my fault your belief is stupid, it's your fault for believing such nonsense. Sorry I told you the truth about it, I guess. My nephew has more logic than that, he's 8.

Science is the precise measuring of values. It is not science's fault that the Bible turns out not to contain any value. If your feelings are hurt by logic, toughen the fuck up. Lifting weights doesn't make you a stronger person, you need to work at yourself. That's what I was concerned with before I picked up weights and I am fuckin glad I did so I didn't turn out to be an illogical fool. Read Thomas Paine's Common Sense, Freud's The Future of an Illusion, anything(preferably everything) by Nietzsche, the works of Dostoevsky, Voltaire, Kafka, Carl Sagan, any of these books has the power to vastly improve your life, as does the Bible. The difference is that some of these books are based on logic, and others illogic. You get to choose where you take your values from. I chose logic. You chose illogic. This conversation demonstrates the results of both.

I had respect for you until this post, and now it's completely gone. I consider myself Christian in that I believe the REAL Jesus(not the lies found in the Bible, check out the Dead Sea Scrolls, they prove that the Bible is a lie) is a good moral teacher. However, religion is a plague on the earth, you're conforming to ignorance. That book was written by fools just as misguided and uncertain about their fate as you are. Dostoevsky was in jail in russia doing hard labour for crimes of free-speech for most of his life, that is his excuse for converting to a literally mind-numbing religious dogma. What is yours?

"There was only ever one Christian, and he died on the cross." -Nietzsche
What this means is that obviously, if you actually do some research on 'Jesus' you'll see that the religion formed in his name is completely opposed to everything he believed. For example: communism, physical nihilism, and search for truth(not possession of truth!) are all precepts to the TRUE religion of Jesus. Is it a coincidence that what we call 'christianity' is the exact opposite? Jesus was persecuted for his beliefs, and his murderers wrote the Bible to keep the Jews in line. Don't you think it's a little weird that a book about jews, with a jew for God is so anti-semitic? That's because it was written by fuckin Romans! Saul of Tarsus, look him the fuck up. You know him as(LOL) St. Paul. Billions of fuckin idiots swallowing lies...

"Madness is rare in individuals--but in groups, political parties, nations, epochs, it is the rule." -Nietzsche again
I'll let you figure this one out yourself.


Oh, and this is a pretty important point, Imma bold the fuck out of it. Liking an idea does not make it true!

"Darwin’s the theory is not a theory, it a fact."

That's what you said. And you couldn't be any more wrong. I almost agree with you, I BELIEVE in Darwin's natural selection. See, this is a belief based on logic. But it's not the same as how I KNOW evolution is correct. Natural Selection is a THEORY, which I'm sure you don't even know the basics of. I've read Darwin's Origin of Species and a few of his other books and I think the man was a genius, he was certainly a brave scientist for standing up to the psychotic Christians of the time, many of whom wanted him dead. The fact that I respect the man and his ideas though, does not change the SCIENTIFIC FACT that natural selection is a theory, not a fact. This is religious bullshit, don't bring that stupid shit into science bro, because then people like me, who understand science, get fuckin angry like this.
And a scientist being angry with a theist usually ends up making the theist look ridiculous, mostly because he is ridiculous...

Stop making claims to the truth on topics you are incredibly ignorant in.

In closing I'd like to say that you are not incapable of affecting change until you let your government CONVINCE you that you are incapable of affecting change. You have made yourself useless to the world. Some people exist who are willing, who live their whole lives simply to make the world a better place for their family and friends to live in. We can do something. We are doing something, the fact that you aren't a part of it does not stop our movement from existing. Here's a man who did something:

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Carl Sagan knows his shit, and knows exactly how to tell if someone is full of shit. "Oh, you can talk to God? Ask him to explain to you the chemistry of a quasar. No? Oh, I see... no, that's alright, I'm just gonna' leave now... later." And then Carl Sagan goes and smokes some weed, laughs about how fucking ignorant most people are. I wish heaven existed just so that I could eventually meet Carl, but I live in a real world, governed by science not wishful thinking.

And here's a bit more anti-religion Carl(most logical, honest, humble, and compassionate man I've ever had the honour to call Teacher, too bad he's long dead. This is the man my logic and my style of argument are based on. Fuck political correctness, fuck illogic, and fuck the effort to stop the spread of knowledge, Carl Sagan for the win.)


In science it often happens that scientists say, 'You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken,' and then they actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion. [Carl Sagan, 1987 CSICOP keynote address]

The idea that God is an oversized white male with a flowing beard who sits in the sky and tallies the fall of every sparrow is ludicrous. But if by God one means the set of physical laws that govern the universe, then clearly there is such a God. This God is emotionally unsatisfying... it does not make much sense to pray to the law of gravity. [Carl Sagan]

You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe. [Dr. Arroway in Carl Sagan's Contact (New York: Pocket Books, 1985]

A celibate clergy is an especially good idea, because it tends to suppress any hereditary propensity toward fanaticism. [Carl Sagan, Contact, pg 244]

The major religions on the Earth contradict each other left and rightYou can't all be correct. And what if all of you are wrong? It's a possibility, you know. You must care about the truth, right? Well, the way to winnow through all the differing contentions is to be skeptical. I'm not any more skeptical about your religious beliefs than I am about every new scientific idea I hear about. But in my line of work, they're called hypotheses, not inspiration and not revelation. [Dr. Arroway in Carl Sagan's Contact (New York: Pocket Books, 1985), p. 162. ]

What I'm saying is, if God wanted to send us a message, and ancient writings were the only way he could think of doing it, he could have done a better job. [Dr. Arroway in Carl Sagan's Contact (New York: Pocket Books, 1985), p. 164.]

You see, the religious people -- most of them -- really think this planet is an experiment. That's what their beliefs come down to. Some god or other is always fixing and poking, messing around with tradesmen's wives, giving tablets on mountains, commanding you to mutilate your children, telling people what words they can say and what words they can't say, making people feel guilty about enjoying themselves, and like that. Why can't the gods leave well enough alone? All this intervention speaks of incompetence. If God didn't want Lot's wife to look back, why didn't he make her obedient, so she'd do what her husband told her? Or if he hadn't made Lot such a shithead, maybe she would've listened to him more. If God is omnipotent and omniscient, why didn't he start the universe out in the first place so it would come out the way he wants? Why's he constantly repairing and complaining? No, there's one thing the Bible makes clear: The biblical God is a sloppy manufacturer. He's not good at design, he's not good at execution. He'd be out of business if there was any competition. [Sol Hadden in Carl Sagan's Contact (New York: Pocket Books, 1985), p. 285.]

Life is but a momentary glimpse of the wonder of this astonishing universe, and it is sad to see so many dreaming it away on spiritual fantasy. [Carl Sagan]

In a democracy, opinions that upset everyone are sometimes exactly what we need. We should be teaching our children the scientific method and the Bill of Rights. [Carl Sagan & Ann Druyan]

and finally

A central lesson of science is that to understand complex issues (or even simple ones), we must try to free our minds of dogma and to guarantee the freedom to publish, to contradict, and to experiment. Arguments from authority are unacceptable.

Now. Logic or gtfo.

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:P WHOA, somebody need a tampon. Well actually I am, I just don’t give a fuck on what you have to say. Hate religion all your want, not gonna change my belief. You’re not hurting my feeling. Stop trying. You don’t have to argue. Dude just rely on your chemicals. Whether your happy or not I don’t give two shit. All I know is that I have a strong will to be happy in my heart and mind. It not my problem you have a weak will and to keep up with someone like me you need bullshit supplements. I guess I have more serotonin than you, cause im happy with my life. Go be depress that you have to rely on those supplements, doesn’t both me one bit. “Whiny depressed little bitch because im dumb”, who the one whiny about me be religious, or an ignorant cunt, calling me an asshole all because im religious. Your upset because of this fact and it quit sad on your part. Dude your body is gonna die just like every one else, whether our soul goes to heave or hell or no after life at all. So stop putting yourself on pedestal could no care’s about you or how great your health is or how sick minded your brain is. Real cats thinks for themselves and make the best of it.

Ya I did know that Anderson silva practices capoeira. But he doesn’t actually use it moron. Silva is more real stand up kick boxing and mostly muay thai. None of that fake spinning in style bullshit. And don’t act big because you kick an amateur ass, fucking bully. Try that shit with me, better hope to get a clean hit cause if you don’t your getting body slam and if that don’t finish you getting ground and pound either ill finish the fight.

Didn’t I say fuck that noah bullshit. you obviously didn’t read anything cause now you’re just talking out of your ass. Trying to put me down on something I said I don’t believe in.

And again im not the one bitching about another individual belief. So if anything you resent me and you the one with the hurt feelings.

Like I said on the first post. I don’t need anything from you include your respect. In fact the last thing I want from you is respect because you don’t know the meaning of it. All you know is your little facts of science and not how the real world is. All you want is to be self righteous asshole all the time. Look you seem wicked smart and no one can deny that. But try having fun. Stop staying in door all the time reading and researching. Do you ever get out. and go to a club, pick up a girl, talk to her about going to camping or surfin at costa rica. I would hate to think about what you think while having sex. Start doing math an shit in your head. “ :geek: my dick is 7.375 inch long, her pussys 9.125 inch deep, if I move and twril like this maybe I can please her more.” :lol: :lol: :lol: Dude relax, all this information is killing you. No fun, no women, no life.

Like I said I just because I have faith doesn’t mean I believe every thing about the Christian ways, FUCK noah, fuck the pope, fuck the bible, fuck every Christian putting any other religion down. Whats my excuse………….i don’t have one, I just have faith beauce i have faith. i dont have to explain my being to you, who the fuck are you any ways, no one. And if I spend most of my life in prison, religion would have nothing to do with it. Get your head out of you ass.

“a scientist being angry with a theist usually ends up making the theist look ridiculous, mostly because he is ridiculous....” your angry at my life being so I guess that make you ridiculous.

Mother fucker, my family and friends is all I got so for you make this I aint apart of this movement shit, your sadly mistaken. If anything your destroy it. You want a better place. Respect every one opinion, and shut the fuck up. Respect every one decision and shut the fuck up. Worry about yourself, your family and friends, leave every one else to their master of there world and jerk off on your own time cause i know you aint getting any :lol: .

You can eat the shit of this carl sagan dude for all I care. What has he done to really change the world. THAT RIGHT NOTHING. Yeah long dead, and every one who pray to god or “talks” to god does even know about him. So I don’t give a fuck on what he had to say. For the win. WOW. If he won I don’t even want to know what this world would be like if he lost. He fucking dead, there still religion, there still racism, still murdering, still rapes. He done nothing but talk shit, just like we all do.

And if im wrong, then I rot. Are you gonna be happy that I was wrong, ok fine, but then your die to and all this shit you done and said wont even matter. It not gonna make me sad. Ill be dead. There nothing to lose, nothing to gain. But if im right which highly likely im not, I get to laugh in your face in the after life and your feel so retarded. but im not gonna shit here and say im right nor wrong because like you i dont know for sure. So why do you care if I have faith. Like I say over and over worry about your self, take my dick out of your ass live life. Fuck your pathetic. :D


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I've got no problem with people who are straight edge, if that's what they want to do then do it... why should it concern anyone else? Of course there are some straight edgers who ruin it for the rest, i.e. the ones who ram their beliefs down others' throats and the ones who actually beat up people for drinking/doing drugs/etc. Though doesn't straight edge involve abstaining from sex as well? I couldn't do that lol, but I don't drink THAT much and I don't do drugs so I guess I'm close haha.

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i have no problem at all with drunks, or junkies. in fact i have more fun with them then these fucking militan straight edge people. i truely believe that i can make friends with anyone in world except of racist and obviouly sex offenders.

to awnser your question, no, sex is not apart of straight edge. straight edge is No smoking such as tobaco, no drinking alcohol, none of the caffin bullshit, and no hard drugs, unless taking 15 aspings at a time or downing syrup. at least that the way i see it. other edgers throw something else in it to i guess remind them to stay straight edge because it does make us proud. casual sex is one that i agree with but if so it not break codes to stright edge. Vegetarian and Vegan are also common
but doesnt apply. we all have are own ways to pay to straight edge. shit some people(very very few) but some people don't believe in getting tattoos. mines is being healthy and in shape, doing whats best for my body cause im fucked up as it is. but then again i do MMA and beating up my body but i love it.


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Lol, I'm sorry, I don't mean to brag, but I don't have a weak will, I've overcome more addiction in my life than you will ever witness and I did it completely alone. I went from 3-year go-nowhere drug addict to science student in a 6-month period, because I decided that I could make a difference, I could fight the things I hate in this world. Once I truly believed I could make a difference, all my vices fell easily away. Well, easily might be an exaggeration, I went through living hell, but I never thought once of giving up, I think that's what I mean by easy.

I didn't call you dumb! I think I said "whiny depressed little bitch because I got dumped" and it was an example, stop looking for a reason to be offended.

And no, I did not call you an asshole or an ignorant cunt because of your religious beliefs(which I also find ignorant, but that's not what I was talking about). I called you an ignorant cunt because you spoke ignorantly about chemicals, which you know nothing about(ignorant cunt) and my depression, which you also know nothing about(asshole). So I stick by both of those. Don't be an ignorant cunt and I won't call you one. If you don't have enough Serotonin in your brain it is literally impossible to feel happy, this is science. I had no reason to be depressed for five years, but I know I was. Now it's gone. But clearly it wasn't a chemical imbalance, it was just my weak will, right? That makes sense?

I'm not upset. Just because I called you names doesn't mean I'm upset, lol, most people lack the ability to make me upset--you see, I have to care about your opinion for you to upset me, and your opinion is all too common for me to care about it.


"Real cats think for themselves"

Do you know what the purpose of organized religion is? To stop people from thinking for themselves...


Anderson uses Capoeira. I'm not arguing about this any more, it's silly. I've heard Joe Rogan excitedly yell "He's goin' Capoeira on him!" atleast 5 times, that doesn't count the times he used it in Pride, Shooto-to-the-top, Meca Vale Tudo and Cage Rage. His awesome side-step is a fundamental capoeira step, and that's where his hand and head-movement come from. The reason no one ever hits him flush is completely because of Capoeira... but maybe I'm just crazy, it's not like I've studied every fight Anderson has ever been in or anything... owait...

If you want to believe that the greatest fighter in the world wastes time practicing a fighting style that doesn't help him... go right ahead. If that makes sense to you, fine.

Are you talking about my story in that "ever go to gigs alone" thread? Lol, I didn't kick anyone's ass. Did you even read that story? If you did, you'd know that he was not an amateur, the only reason he didn't make me scream like a girl is because he went for something overly fancy(gogoplata) because he was only 16, cocky little fuck. But yeah, it's highly doubtful that you're less of an amateur than this kid who has been training Gracie Jiu Jitsu since he was 8.


The fact that I think your beliefs are founded on ignorance means that I resent you and I have hurt feelings? Seems like you're judging me by my beliefs now, welcome to my level =)

I know what respect is, I respect hundreds of logical people. The fact that I don't respect illogical people doesn't suggest that I have no respect whatsoever, does it?


Lol... stop making arbitrary assumptions about my life. I happen to be in the greatest relationship of my life with a girl I could never imagine getting bored of(we've been in love[but not together] for 8 years, fuck). No, I don't go pick up random broads, I am far past the point in my life where getting my dick wet is my prime motive. That was 16-19. Now I'd much rather stay in and talk to my girl, play in the snow or dance to crappy music. Nothing in the world I would rather be doing. You're actually right about me not getting any right now, though, she's visiting family in your fine country at the moment.

Lol, you're kind of right about what I used to think about when I would fuck random chicks, it was logical, somewhat scientific. "Fuck, I hope this bitch doesn't have aids." It wasn't scientific enough though, because I was never like "huh... maybe putting my dick in her isn't worth possibly getting aids..?" In hindsight, that is probably what I should have done to every random chick I ever fucked xD oh well, I don't have aids, that's all that matters. My girlfriend said she wouldn't care if I had aids anyway though, so win win. My girlfriend considers herself Christian too, by the way, but she is logical in every degree.

And I go out all the time, I don't go to clubs with flashing lights and too loud music simply because it isn't fun for me. I have much more fun getting together with a group of my friends, some of us get high, and then we just walk around or watch some videos, flip through some good books, and talk for hours on end. Next to just being with the girl I love, this is my favourite thing to do and the source of most of my perspective. I wouldn't give one of these nights for a years worth of going to clubs and banging random broads, there is no comparison between the two. I know, in my opinion, some of the kindest and most honest people in the world, what use have I for clubs and talking about transitory materialism with unintelligent plebeians?


You said you weren't part of the movement, not me. The whole point of the movement is to educate the masses, to stop everyone from thinking what you said about not being able to change the world. We can change the world. If we want our species to survive, we must change the world.

I will respect your opinion when it starts to have a positive affect on the world around you, not before.

You know nothing about the freethought movement if you don't think Carl Sagan has done anything. The internet is filled with people with a profound respect for Carl, who like me were convinced by him to spend our lives wisely--by helping in whatever fashion we are able. You can not go to an intelligent forum these days without seeing Sagan quotes in every second signature, his picture with funny little blurbs like "COMBUST CANNABIS EVERY SOLAR ROTATION" or "Billions and billions...". I've talked to dozens of these people and I can tell you with no little certainty that Carl had the same effect that he had on me on tens of thousands of people around the world. Everything I and they do is thanks, atleast in part, to Carl Sagan. This is if you don't even consider his scientific contributions, which are somewhat weighty themselves.

He did everything he could to help the world, and for that, for decades of dedication even through a debilitating illness, Carl Sagan is a motherfuckin hero. More of a man than any Saint I've ever heard of. I'd give a thousand Mother Theresa's for just one Carl. Insulting him makes you seem like a moron, but I'm sure you simply don't know who he is... speaking through ignorance, once again.



I've considered the possibility that I'm wrong. If your God exists, he is a tyrant, which means your Satan must in fact be a noble soul for rebelling against such a tyrant. Laugh all you want, if your hell is real, it's my heaven.

Now consider the possibility that you're wrong. If my God, the Scientific God ends up to be the Real One, what then? You don't need to explain yourself to me, but you might have to explain why you ignored logic to him. If a logical God who started the big bang and hasn't intervened since exists, he must really respect logic since he created such a vast universe completely governed by this force. So if I'm wrong, I still get what I want. I'd rather burn in an illogical hell than live forever in an illogical heaven. If you're wrong, what? Would you rather burn in a logical hell than dine with a logical God? You could be wrong, you know.

Tell me to only care about myself all you want, my morality is built completely on a foundation of spreading knowledge, I will always care about the opinions of others, because your opinion decides what affect you have on the world around you. It seems to me like everything that is going to be said has already been said in this conversation, unless you have something other than emotionality to add, I'm done. Have a good life, I hope you learned atleast something from me, I admittedly learned a few things from you, and I thank you for that. If you only learn one thing from me, let it be: don't close your ears when someone insults you, put logic before emotionality.

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02 Jul 2011, 18:43
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Ripvill. You are obviously well educated and make very good arguments to support your point of view. I understand that on some level we are all using substances that have an impact on our cognitive ability, health, etc. I choose to be straight edge because it allows me to detach from certain issues, products, trends that I have a problem with. I hate the fact that if I buy beer I am contributing to profits for Coors, Budweiser, etc. The same can be said of cigarettes, meat, drugs and a myriad of other things. I do what I can to live by principles that I have developed over the years. Do I fall short sometimes? Absolutely! I am a fallible human being. I really enjoy reading your posts and agree with many things you say but I think your arguments in this thread have an all or nothing slant (I could be misinterpreting, 3x16 hour work days in a row). I’m sure you know just is well as I do that, in life, there are no definites. No right or wrong. No black and white. Gray areas exist in almost any circumstance that I can think of. I just do the best that I can to maintain my straight edge values because my interpretation of it works for me.

Punk, hardcore, hip-hop, etc. opens doors to so much fascinating and enriching culture, art, music and ways of thinking that make this more than just music. It is so cool that it is not only what we have in common that brings us together but also what we disagree on.

P.s. Where did you go to school? Me: Boston University, C.U.


03 Jul 2011, 03:55
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I don’t really understand why people are so anti-straight edge. What's it got to do with anyone else if someone decides to not take any intoxicating substances? As someone said previously up the page, there are always going to be some straight edgers who are a little extreme, but these kinds of people exist in other 'groups' as well – religion, vegetarianism, feminism, etc. I'm not straight edge myself, but I don't do drugs and I hardly drink nowadays. I refrain from drugs not because I think I'm better than everyone else, or some other fucked up reason like that, but because I simply choose not to take them. For one thing, I’m a really bad drunk and from what my friend tells me, weed gets you to a 'similar' feeling of being drunk very quickly, so I probably wouldn't be very good with weed or any other drug. Sure, if it was offered to me I'd probably try a little, but that’s about as far it would go. I've got no problem with people who choose to do drugs, nor do I have a problem with people who choose not to. Why should I? It’s not my business!

arobin34, I'm a little confused with your reasoning for being SE. You said you don't like the idea of funding corporations like Coors, Budweiser etc but you said you work as well? What's the difference? In effect you are funding and helping to maintain the business you are working for. And alcohol doesn't always come from big companies like them, you could buy beer from small, independent businesses... or better yet, make your own at home :D


03 Jul 2011, 11:58
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Sorry. Work has been killing me lately. I am a behavioral therapist at a center for addictions/mental disorders. It is non-profit and we will take almost anyone that needs help. My reasoning is a lot deeper. Basic reasons are, I hate the smell of alcohol, cigarette’s/weed makes my sinus's feel like they are going to explode, I feel better on a vegan diet. I grew up in an alcoholic family, buying drugs supports ruthless cartels and also extends this ridiculous drug war, the cruelty that animals are subjected to is disgusting. It is hard to give a synopsis in a few sentences of something that is so complex. I grew up with lots of friends that do drugs and drink and I have no problem with it because it is a personal choice. It’s just not for me.


Plus, Youth of today, Were Not in This Alone, rules!


03 Jul 2011, 18:47
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I understand what you mean by thinking my argument has 'an all or nothing slant' but it is a misinterpretation. I don't care if someone abstains from what straight-edgers consider 'drugs', in fact I rarely do any of those things myself(cannabis non inclus), it is for the most part a wise decision. My problem is with their motivation for doing so, it is founded on illogic, that all drugs are bad for you. This is obviously mistaken, a drug is any substance that alters normal body function, which means for something to have a positive affect on your body(mind included) is must necessarily be a drug. This kind of moral dishonesty can breed only more dishonesty. If what we mean to say is that some drugs are bad, with empirical reasoning, let us say that. Anything else is dishonesty or ignorance, both of whom I despise.

If you form an opinion based on logic and understanding I will respect it, whether or not it coincides with my own belief. However, if you form an opinion based on what I know to be misinformation, respecting you would be an act of disrespect against myself and everyone who has contributed to my personal morality.

The only black and white in the world are logic and illogic. If you are not logical, you are illogical. In everything else, there are only shades of gray, I agree, but of this we may be certain.

I'm not very well educated actually, I don't even have a highschool diploma! Lol, I'm going into my third year of chemical engineering technology at Cambrian college as a mature student.



Weed does not have anywhere near the same affect as alcohol, alcohol turns your mind off, intelligent use of cannabis will lead you to question every aspect of your life. Polar opposites, in my opinion, and I have used both extensively. I believe Carl Sagan's description of the effects of cannabis on an intelligent mind is the best that exists, if you are interested, here are a few excerpts.

"I am convinced that there are genuine and valid levels of perception available with cannabis (and probably with other drugs) which are, through the defects of our society and our educational system, unavailable to us without such drugs."

"I do not consider myself a religious person in the usual sense, but there is a religious aspect to some highs. The heightened sensitivity in all areas gives me a feeling of communion with my surroundings, both animate and inanimate. Sometimes a kind of existential perception of the absurd comes over me and I see with awful certainty the hypocrisies and posturing of myself and my fellow men. And at other times, there is a different sense of the absurd, a playful and whimsical awareness. Both of these senses of the absurd can be communicated, and some of the most rewarding highs I've had have been in sharing talk and perceptions and humor. Cannabis brings us an awareness that we spend a lifetime being trained to overlook and forget and put out of our minds. A sense of what the world is really like can be maddening; cannabis has brought me some feelings for what it is like to be crazy, and how we use that word "crazy" to avoid thinking about things that are too painful for us. In the Soviet Union political dissidents are routinely placed in insane asylums. The same kind of thing, a little more subtle perhaps, occurs here: "did you hear what Lenny Bruce said yesterday? He must be crazy." "

"There is a myth about such highs: the user has an illusion of great insight, but it does not survive scrutiny in the morning. I am convinced that this is an error, and that the devastating insights achieved when high are real insights; the main problem is putting these insights in a form acceptable to the quite different self that we are when we're down the next day."

"I find that most of the insights I achieve when high are into social issues, an area of creative scholarship very different from the one I am generally known for."

"My high is always reflective, peaceable, intellectually exciting, and sociable, unlike most alcohol highs, and there is never a hangover."

"There is a very nice self-titering aspect to cannabis. Each puff is a very small dose; the time lag between inhaling a puff and sensing its effect is small; and there is no desire for more after the high is there."

And finally, my personal favourite...

"I think the ratio, R, of the time to sense the dose taken to the time required to take an excessive dose is an important quantity. R is very large for LSD (which I've never taken) and reasonably short for cannabis. Small values of R should be one measure of the safety of psychedelic drugs. When cannabis is legalized, I hope to see this ratio as one of the parameters printed on the pack. I hope that time isn't too distant; the illegality of cannabis is outrageous, an impediment to full utilization of a drug which helps produce the serenity and insight, sensitivity and fellowship so desperately needed in this increasingly mad and dangerous world."

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Aldous Huxley


03 Jul 2011, 19:27
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arobin34 - Ah ok thanks for explaining that, I did think that perhaps you worked for a small, non-profit organisation after I wrote my reply! Sounds like you have a decent job! And as for the reasons you stated for being straight edge, well I think they're very logical :)

Ripvil - I couldn't agree more. Drugs aren't bad for you, well, at least cannabis isn't. I don't know much about the other drugs and their physiological effects (I'd be interested to know about heroin though, as this is considered one of the 'stronger' drugs), but I do know that cannabis is much less harmful to us than cigarettes and alcohol are. Alcohol devastates the liver leading to cirrhosis while cigarettes destroy your lungs eventually giving you cancer. These have been shown and proven continuously yet I've not heard any such 'stories' regarding the use of drugs. Those excerpts you gave were very interesting I must say, thanks for posting them!

Do straight edgers really believe drugs are bad? I've read about some who just want to keep their body "clean" of any drugs, but not that they genuinely believe it's bad for them.


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