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so, why left wing?
beacause I always see those black-red anarho-punk flags , and many lyrics refer to the left wing and even comunism.
(i am from romania .. an ex comunist country. i was born after revolution but seems like everyone from the family have a bad image about comunism...even if one part of the family were on high positions at the "Security" )


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no opinion ? :|

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for the 1million'th time...

anarchism have absolutly NOTHING to do with the urss revolution and NOTHING to do with the communist regimes like in romania.

inform yourself.

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"anarchism have absolutly NOTHING to do with the urss revolution and NOTHING to do with the communist regimes like in romania."
:| i gave u some information about me. who said anarchism have something in common with urss revolution?

i asked why left wing? u have at your avatar the black-red flag.

(wiki: "The red-and-black flag is the symbol of the anarcho-syndicalist and anarcho-communist movements. Black is the traditional color of anarchism, and red is the traditional color of socialism.")


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Left-wing is _usually_ more humane and tolerant. At least in theory.
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punk is a big gruop thing where everyone is as mutch worth as all the others, and that is a left-wing thing to, an ddon't forget that lots of punks are working class. But I think they just like the idea of the revoultion part.
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Fuck ideology!
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DeathToTheWorld wrote:
Fuck ideology!


right. think for yourself.

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Anarchy is a human ideology and as all the human ideologies this shit kills too!

I don't think anyone needs to be punk/skin/communist/anarchist/liberalist/inserthereother"ist"shit to dislike nazism or nacionalism, specially ultranacionalism with is in fact nazism.

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[quote="SharpSkin6977"]Anarchy is a human ideology and as all the human ideologies this shit kills too!

I don't think anyone needs to be punk/skin/communist/anarchist/liberalist/inserthereother"ist"shit to dislike nazism or nacionalism, specially ultranacionalism with is in fact nazism.[/quoteI
I agree, but that also applies for other ideologies like communism, anarchism, liberalism etc.

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07 Jun 2010, 21:33
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not only because of the smarter girls, the fun with the police and the judges and because rightwing IS UGLY - I just don't like to be only a meaningless number on some statistics about the victims of the worldwide shitfactory. I don't like wearing a uniform, run the rat race only to sustain a whole bunch of parasites that claim to be always right but only care about their own kind while "forgetting" about me and the "rest" of a whole world that is messed up only for their interests.
I like to be me, I like to be with others even if they are not strictly my kind, and maybe some are right to claim that all the "ism" things are killing... but some knowledge doesn't hurt either, so the commie/bolshevik thing has something to do with anarchism - besides the faschists and the old law they were always the enemies of the good ol' Blackhats, just look somewhere for the struggle between people like Bakunin opposing Karl Marx, or the way the russian revolution lost its meaning when Anarchists and faschists shared the same cells in bolshevik jails.
The history of the Spanish Revolution is also a good example for the struggle between "red" (only on the outside, but "white" on the inside) bolshevik way to deal with "enemies of the bolshevik revolution". maybe anarchism would have been the more promising choice, making it impossible to raise a "red" police state, but they lost against the pressure of both - communists and faschists...


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http://punksandskins.com/dl.php?go=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrmcaiZM_vU
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DeathToTheWorld you are a fucking idiot, it just proves you are a total ignorant. Study history instead of following peoples telling you what to think (it's so much easier to follow what a song says instead of making your own ideas eh ??).

Anarchy is not chaos, anarchism have nothing to do with what is happenning in Irak. Irak isn't anarchism, you are another brainwashed idiot who follows what the medias tells him. Irak is chaos, there was no revolution in irak.

Study what happenned during the spanish revolution, learn what happenned in the ukraine revolution by Nestor Makhno, learn about the zapatists, etc...

Oh no, i forgot, it's too hard for you. It's easier to base your jugement on some songs.

You are very naive and very ignorant. Fucking defeatist. It's so much easier to admit the defeat before the fight even start, than standing up and fighting against injustice, eh?

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Because of the risks of non safer sex I hope DTTW isn't that fucking idiot, because there seem to be already too much of that kind... maybe many enough to pay off the videoproduction? Did the band already volunteered?
Watching the clip one could ask:
So whats the message?
Joining the army to get paid for doing the dirty work, because profit orientated unemployment gives you the chance to do it? Lets all try loosing some bodyparts and/or psychic health (if there's any left...) to get the chance to "live" on social care - or lets getting killed so our relatives could get the hero's grave and the flag they always wanted?
Maybe you need not to study on books - just take a look around and imagine somebody bombing and burning the fucking mess YOU have to live, learn and slave in just for the profits of people with better things to do than to "serve" THEIR country the way they suppose you to do...
I'm really no fan of cookiemunching longhair liberals doing the family thing at peace demonstrations - but at least they want something I want too: The chance to live my life without terror, suffering and death just coming around the next corner and knocking at MY door. I'm sure the mullahs in the middle east have never done something wrong to YOU - but the gouverment does it every day...
If the music is still important get WASTED LIFE (Stiff Little Fingers) - 3.10 and everything important is said - just think about it.

good thing to see you'll NEVER SURRENDER UNGOVERNABLE... !pasaremos!


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ungovernable will you work if nobody says you work? anarchy its the most stupid idea i never hear....the people, no the humans need order to live....thanks to the order whe have internet thank to the order whe have tecnology...thank to the order YOU ARE A PUNK...leave the anarchy for the emo kids and stupid people.

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im gonna say straight up, anarchy amazing on paper, so is comunist. the problem it can't work, not unless you got everyone to reach to an understanding that every ones the same, and care for each other point of views, it because of ignorant people who doesnt want it to work. as well as people who take anarchism and turn is around, like you ungovernable.

why do you care so much about other people opinions. your all about anarchy and freedom and peace but you go on and dis every one. that straight up hate and not peace. maybe if you werent an asshole and talk to people calming instead of insulting them we have a better chance to educated people, and if you cant who cares you know the truth and they dont, so fucking forget about it. be real dude, anarchy will never exist as long as theres disagreements. as much as i want it, as much as i would take my own life for it, it will never happen.

the only anarchy we might see in our life time is Chaos. and please, hear me out, i with you on this, but in this fucked up world. things will eventrally go into chaos, and im sorry but you cant call it anything else but anarchy.

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ungovernable will you work if nobody says you work? anarchy its the most stupid idea i never hear....the people, no the humans need order to live....thanks to the order whe have internet thank to the order whe have tecnology...thank to the order YOU ARE A PUNK...leave the anarchy for the emo kids and stupid people.


Everybody has needs, so everybody has to work to fulfill them, think of our hunting/collecting ancestors in the prehistoric, the fact is still a fact. Only religion will promise a paradise where you don't need to work - its a lie. And I am stupid enough to believe that there is a need in human nature to do work, think of the arts, cultural expression, creativity etc.
I enjoy collective work, its communicative, entertaining and everybody taking part in it gets an equal share of the outcome.
"order" (actual practised in our "first'' world societies) today means for many of us to be more or less unemployed or slaving in mindless massproduction without getting an equal share - because somebody else takes the freedom to decide how much he will leave for you. You have to compromise to be allowed to work - using your boss' property to produce something and accepting that this allows him to take his share without taking part in your work. Your're not allowed to decide what is produced, you are not allowed to decide how it's produced - you only have to do it.
You can have computers, internet and technology as long as you can afford it - and if you can't: you just won't get it - a very simple "order".
And the worst about it: The majority of people on this planet outside our small islands of the happy aren't that happy, because the "new world order" just forgot about their needs...


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The thing about Anarchy = Chaos is getting a bit boring, so I'll leave it out, it's not important to argue about the meaning of words.
The only chaos we'll see is already around us, just take a look at this fucked up world. We still got "those" hoods and they are growing, we still have social problems and they are getting worse, we still got uneducation, unemployment, not to forget about global warming, war, terrorism and so on. And who's responsible?
The ones celebrating the 21. century, while fighting against the terrorism of their former freedom fighters and allies. The ones preaching the defence of freedom while ordering their lackeys to work on patriot acts, antiterrorism laws, bedtime stories about chemical/nuclear weapons and invasion plans, because they themselves have to meet their well earning friends from the industry/oil/banking business for a little cocktail party.
Who made every one of us the way we are (who's the toughest, the most wise, who got the biggest... (and I tell you: I got the biggest, trust me) ... who is punk and who's not...
Who is brainwashing every one of us with statements like this:
"democracy" is the worst but the only possible way to do it.
Who is expecting you to vote and keep your mouth shut 'till the next election?
- So please hand over your fucking right to decide and create for yourself, and in case you feel cheated, left out or just bored - just start fighting against your neighbor - he got a bigger TV set than you... Don't mind what we'e doing - it's only for the best and always in your interest...
So get a grip on yourself - and I think it would be nice to stop all this "fucking idiot, fashist in disguise, punk or not" stuff, instead of this:
Let's practice some Anarchy by accepting different opinions and respecting each other as the kind of people we are: Postmodern leftover kids with a strange taste for loud music on the way out - nobody's better than you, even if you don't know how to spell...


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ungovernable will you work if nobody says you work? anarchy its the most stupid idea i never hear....the people, no the humans need order to live....thanks to the order whe have internet thank to the order whe have tecnology...thank to the order YOU ARE A PUNK...leave the anarchy for the emo kids and stupid people.

You think it is stupid because you don't understand what it is all about.

Once again, anarchism is not about disorder. The circled A stands for ANARCHY INSIDE ORDER. Anarchist philosophers said that "anarchism is the highest expression of ORDER" and also said that "anarchism is ORDER without power"

We would still have technology in anarchism. We would still have internet in anarchism. And people would still work because they would enjoy what they do, they would be their own boss and they would decide how to manage their shop with all of the other workers. There would still be order, the order would be self-management.

Shops without bosses exist everywhere. Look what is happenning in argentina, or watch last documentary by michael moore "capitalism a love story" you will see that shops without boss exist even in the USA.

And the punk scene has nothing to do with order or disorder.




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im gonna say straight up, anarchy amazing on paper, so is comunist. the problem it can't work, not unless you got everyone to reach to an understanding that every ones the same, and care for each other point of views, it because of ignorant people who doesnt want it to work. as well as people who take anarchism and turn is around, like you ungovernable.

You are a fucking poser moron, why did you say you believe in anarchy on the other topic if you think it can't work ??

Anarchism CAN work and already worked. It worked in spanish revolution, it worked in ukraine makhnovtchina, it worked with the zapatists and is still working today, it worked in kronsdadt, it worked in auroville, it worked in christiana, it worked in the commune of paris, it worked in the 1st international, etc etc etc.... But you probably never heard of that because you are a fake anarchist poser

Also how do i "take anarchism and turn it around" ??? You just don't unserstand what anarchism is. Unlike you, i have read anarchism theories and philosophy and i know what i am talking about. You are a wannabe.

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why do you care so much about other people opinions. your all about anarchy and freedom and peace but you go on and dis every one.

Anarchism doesnt means not having an opinion and not disagreeing with others, dumbass.

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maybe if you werent an asshole and talk to people calming instead of insulting them we have a better chance to educated people, and if you cant who cares you know the truth and they dont

I'd talk calm to you if you werent an idiot, but you say you know everything and you say you are smarter than me, so there is no point of wasting my time with you when you act like a moron.

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the only anarchy we might see in our life time is Chaos. and please, hear me out, i with you on this, but in this fucked up world. things will eventrally go into chaos, and im sorry but you cant call it anything else but anarchy.

Chaos is not anarchism, you are brainwashed by the US medias and you think that a state of disorder is anarchy. But it is against all the basis of real anarchism, so it is not anarchy.

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first, i thinks that anarchy can't be described as some kind of a system, because i think every individual has his own image of anarchy in his head...for some anarchy is chaos, and destroying, for some is freedom and so on...
about the political systems now...i think almost every system is good...while is on the paper...but in every system there is some greedy bastards that are to trying to exploit it, and at the end everything is the same...greedy pigs rule the country, and people who tried to follow the system as it was meant to be, are waiting in the line for social support...
that's one the reasons anarchy can't exist because...for instance, what would be the first thing you would do if there were no goverment, no police to stop you doing everything you want? i think most of the people would run to the stores and took as much things as they could, others would...i don't know...go on the street and started shooting everybody out there...there's too much greed and selfishness in our heads to live in harmony with others...we will always look how too reap someone off and get as much as we can from that...we are all brainwashed wether you like or not...we are


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