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i am not religious, but i think that the "thank you for not poluting your mind" shirt is stupid. i dont think we need to tell people that believe in religions to not do it, if they want to do so then let them. if they truly believe in god or buddah or whatever then thats fine, just as long as they arent trying to convert me im fine with it. so why should we tell them that its stupid to believe in what they want. whats everyone eleses opinion?
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Because religion started the worst wars in the last 2000+ years. Fuck religion. I don't see what's the problem by telling others they shouldnt follow stupid religions and believe in gods that doesnt exist. As long as you are not FORCING people to stop believing in something then there's no problem..
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good point. maybe i should have thought about all the terible things that are happening in the middle-east like thesuicide bombings and such. i dont really think we should be wearing shirts like that in nothern america though. maybe ant-christian shirts because christianity has been very corupted by greedy people.
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Belief in God isn't the problem. I'm Christian, actually. Only in that I believe Jesus was a great moral teacher. In fact I believe he was a Buddhist, I don't believe he said he was the son of God, if anything he said we are all sons of God, I don't believe he walked on water or was reborn. Actually, a Tibetan near-death meditation could explain his rebirth, he just slowed his heart-rate down to the point where he appeared dead so as to save the last bit of energy his body had, if anything. I don't believe in a caring omniscient God, that's a silly wishful opinion, I believe in a scientific God as the only possibility beyond Eternal Recurrence. If God exists, he set into motion the Big Bang and has not intervened since. But more than likely, there is a much more astonishing explanation for the existence of the universe than 'God' and I will not be held from any such explanations for fear of my beliefs being shattered.

Christianity as it is understood by most people is one of the most harmful things on the planet. But the things that Christ taught were good common virtues, he taught and lived in a Communist village, he spoke against the rich and greedy and ofcourse taught the Golden Rule, to treat others how you wish to be treated. Now ofcourse 'Christians' don't accept these virtues at all, they are usually more concerned with the Old Testament bigotry, and less concerned about understanding the man they're supposedly trying to become. How often do you hear rich Christians repeating Jesus' words "it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of Heaven"? Religion is the problem, it is a tool of control, much like the Western media has become, it forces millions into the opinion it wants them to hold and in so doing starts wars and halts scientific research for fear of disproof.

"It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."-Carl Sagan

Check out both Carl Sagan and Christ if you haven't already, punk as fuck in my opinion. Although Carl Sagan is undoubtedly superior.

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i think your belifes are cool and sorry that i targeted a large group of people that think like you! but man, all that stuff has been twisted around by you to make you happy so that you dont lose your belife in god and jesus. not saying thats a bad thing, its just so many people have their own variation on what they belive in. i read the bible once, didnt find it very useful. i think its because of how it has been changed by so many people that it became too unbeliveable. this carl sagan dude sounds fucking cool though! i have noticed that you quote him alot and its all great stuff. i gotta get rid of that signature thing because i am deffinitly not punk as fuck, more like hungry as fuck.
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Lol I'm not actually 'Christian'. Well, just in the way that I think every mention of Jesus that has multiple written sources re-inforces good social values. I don't believe those values have anything to do with a universal morality, I don't think the universe gives a damn about humanity as a whole even, nevermind the petty actions of individual humans. When you consider the range and wonders of the universe--even just those ones we've managed to discover with our limited technology--it starts to seem unlikely that if there were a creator he thought that hard about humanity, it seems more likely that we are doomed to a fate much like that of over 99% of the lifeforms that have lived on earth to this point--extinction. And the Universe keeps going. There could be a billion planets with intelligent life, some of which may be thousands or even millions of years older than our own civilization. After all, the universe is ~13.7 billion years old, life on earth only arose about ~3.5billion years ago, that's quite a gap. Theoretically some parts of the universe were cool enough by a billion years after the big bang to support life, although the instability of the universe would have made it unlikely for that life to have survived nearly 13 billion years, planetary studies have shown that for a civilization to survive they must band together and explore space. We are really no better off that the dinosaurs were if the same thing were to happen today. The only difference would be that we'd be aware of our impending destruction...

I just got high and when I got back I re-read all this and realized I'm kinda deviating from the subject lol. My point is that I don't believe in God, and I'm less a follower of Christ than say Carl =D or Nietzsche or Buddha or Dostoevsky, or any number of other people who have helped shape my way of thinking, I just believe Christ was doing a good job keeping the public as human as a mob can get, until that travesty the Holy Bible. I don't believe a single word in the Bible lol, I didn't mean to suggest you read it, in fact I would suggest you not waste your time. The Bible is only interesting in studying Christian fanaticism and the general human mob mentality, it is a poor place indeed to search for answers about the creation of the universe.

Don't worry about offending me buddy, I don't think I can really be offended any more... I can be made angry, lol, but that's not really the same thing. I respect that most people think no where near the way I do, even when someone tries to offend me, it usually just makes me feel bad. If you have to resort to overtly insulting someone to win an argument, you more than likely are not the Prime Subject, if you know what I mean. The way I see it, some people have had horrible lives and have developed along the same lines, so I only push on people who I believe can take it, I don't want to make anyone question the beliefs if those beliefs support a fragile psyche. And I always try to teach them something, even if I make it impossible for them to agree xD. And even(perhaps especially) with the people I don't agree with, I find I always learn something from them as well.

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that was too much for me to take in. i would make a smart reply but i really dont know what to say.
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First let me say kierenfxxkinglegacy, It's easy to believe in Buddha because he was a real person. There have been a lot of Buddhas to live actually. The historical one was named Siddhartha who was born in 566BC. Plus there is historical evidence to prove he was a real live person, unlike Jebus. Who has none, but a 1,600 year old book(s) written by 40 different people in 4 different languages. It's funny how a person with a celebrity status such as Jesus as no painting, drawing, statue or anything of him made during his life span. The first thing to appear was 200 years after his supposed death. But thanks to a book that people are so gullible to believe, he just has to be real. I will write more on this later. I got to go.
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man i said if some one truley believes in buddah as in the religion. so i mean buddism, not the person/people. and you should watch some documentaries and shit, there has been far more stuff about jesus found then the bible. and if you bothered to read the bible, jesus wasnt a very respected person he just had a small following. i dont think that the government they were under then would have aloud people to do statues and paintings of jesus.
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Yeah, there is a lot of historical evidence for Jesus, though most of it completely contradicts the Bible-story Jesus. The Dead Sea Scrolls are in my opinion the first mention of Jesus "The Great Teacher" and they were written something like 200 years before Jesus was supposedly born. And I believe Jesus was either a part of the Essenes or the founder, more than likely his name was not 'jesus', but that doesn't really matter.

"For this remains as I have already pointed out the essential difference between the two religions of decadence : Buddhism promises nothing, but actually fulfils; Christianity promises everything, but fulfils nothing." -Nietzsche
Buddhism is a form of speculative science and a guide to mental cleanliness. There is a Buddhist quote that goes something like "If Buddha's own words are found to be incorrect, we must cast them aside in light of greater understanding." Buddha teaches people how to make their own decisions about 'Good and Evil', and about how they are going to live their lives. Now ofcourse, this isn't to say that Buddhism hasn't accomplished just as many travesties as Christianity, what this means is that the intent in this case is not control--it can't be blamed on Buddha that humanity longs for mental slavery and will submit wherever possible, even where submission is not wanted. Buddha was wrong about a great many things--but he passed on a system that would allow future generations to correct his mistakes, which is the opposite of the idea every other major religion was founded on.

Also, Christians still aren't supposed to erect images of Jesus, or anything else for that matter. Christians just don't understand their own religion. “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth." It's the exact same as the Prophet Muhammad is for Muslims, Muslims are just a lot more familiar with the rules of their religion than are Christians.

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believe someone is not bad. but guide your whole life through its principles respecting the different opinions of others is wrong.

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There have been over 2,800 gods and goddesses thought up over the years. The story of Jesus Christ was originally started by Paul during a time when many followers of the Jewish faith were looking for the savior foretold by scriptures. Jesus was born a Jew, baptized as a Jew and died as a Jew. Why Christians want to believe he was apart of Christianity I don't know. He was suppose to be the savior for the Jews. Now as for people not being able to make an art work of him is kinda hard to believe. People always find a way to get away with things. After being made why not hide it in a place where only they could find where it was forgotten about over the years? As for Jesus being such a kind man, he has some good stories but Christians tend to over look the others. Hell, only 95% of Christian really know the real name of their god. Back to Jesus though. In Luke 12:47 Jesus not only supports slavery but tells masters to beat their disobedient slaves. In 1 Peter 2:18 he tells slaves to obey and fear their masters. In Matthew 10:37 Jesus says that you are not worthy of him or Heaven if you love anyone, including your own parents or children, more than you love him. In Luke 12:51-53 & Matthew 10:34-35 Jesus says he has not come to bring peace on earth but rather division. He has come to divide father and son along with mother and daughter against each other. Seeing these passages Jesus isn't so great. And if you can't find these passages in your Bible then sorry. You have one of the 1000's of rewritten copies that have taken the bad stuff out that makes Jesus a bad guy.

Let's see.....The Bible was written in four different languages over 1,600 years ago. There for it had to be translated from one language to the next over time until it finally made it to English or what ever other other language it is in now, and don't even bring up the damn rosette stone for here is why. Now how do we know for a 100% fact that all the words in the Bible are what they originally were the many years ago when it was first written? The word "virgin" could originally have been "young lady" BECAUSE in a lot of languages two words are put into one. They also didn't have copy machines back then to reprint the pages the exact same, so when someone was doing it by hand there had to be hundreds of mistaken words for others.

The gods of all religions are not real, but if there is some cosmological being out there it's doing jack shit to let us know it is out there. I will admit that there had to of been a guy in the past named Jesus, but the biblical Jesus, no. If you want to see a good web site about it here is one; http://www.truth-saves.com/

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i wouldnt read anything about religion on the internet dude. the internet is the same tool that you can use to watch 2 girls 1 cup. people can put up whatever they want. just because this person was able to convince you and some other people doesnt mean its true, you just want it to be true. just like how people who believe in religions want their god to be real.
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Very good BloodyAnarchy, you know more about Jesus than most people, or you just read more about Jesus than most people know. Either way your studies seem not to have brought you to the Dead Sea Scrolls yet. Have you heard of the Order du Sion? It's a secret society formed somewhere around the year 1000, it is now recognized as the Prieure du Sion and is less secretive. At the time of it's formation(and for hundreds of years after) it had to be completely secret for their heretical views on Jesus and the Church would have(and in a few cases did) prompted immediate action by the Church to stamp out these opinions. Many scholars believe that Hugues de Payens and Godfrey de St. Omer, founders of the Poor Fellow Soldiers of Jesus Christ and of The Temple of Solomon(Knights Templar) were a part of the Order of Sion. Freemasonry also evolved from the Order.

There are thousands of historical texts that align the beliefs of The Order de Sion, Knights Templar, Freemasons, as well as many other 'secret societies' through history. My dad happens to be a Freemason and at one point held hopes of me joining. I recognize the Masonic religion for what it is--a religion, and I don't bow to anyone's way of thinking, but my father showed me countless documents, encouraged me to read the Dead Sea Scrolls, and allowed me to decide for myself what to believe. I have come to the conclusion that 'St. Paul'(Saul of Tarsus) never met 'Jesus'. He met James the Just(Believed by some to be the brother of Jesus), James wrote of Saul that he was a 'trickster, a snake of a man with talent for twisting words to suit his purpose' snakelike Saul claimed them to have been friends, and pronounced James an Apostle. (After James was stoned to death, that is) Now, I don't believe James was Jesus' brother, I believe that James was a follower of the Great Teacher of the DSS, and that he /was/ the biblical Jesus in many cases. The Jesus who I respect as a moralist is that Great Teacher. Once again I believe very little in the Bible, I have seen far too many sources that suggest it's falsehood. The most obvious being what you almost pointed out. If Jesus was a Jew, lived with Jews, and taught Jews... why the hell is the Bible so god damn anti-semetic? Because(in my opinion) it was a tool of the Romans(Saul of Tarsus, being Roman) to overthrow and enslave the Jews.

I believe in Jesus in the same way I believe in Socrates and Homer. They may not have existed, but the ideas from which they sprang were original and substantial ideas, it can be said that I believe in the /idea/ of Jesus(that is, the DSS Great Teacher upon whom I believe the Biblical Jesus is based) and that his existence does not alter anything. I don't believe in anything--man or god--to the exclusion of logic. Observable logic is the only thing that could make me respect anything--man, god, or idea.


Kieren--The internet is actually the most reliable source of information, you just need to know how to study. Believing something based on a single source is utter fatuity, you should always consider every available opinion before basing your own.

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i know dude, but when some other guy puts a link to a website about how jesus isnt real im a little scepticle.
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Dude, I could have gone on and on, but on the dead sea scroll part I will be honest. I haven't looked too much into them. I do know about the books of jubilees though. I agree with you hugely on the observable logic part. I am a "See it to believe it" guy. Just because a book says it's true doesn't mean it is. We might as well believe in Superman if that is the case. Hell, he can to all the things Jesus can. I will look into what you have mentioned. Especially the secret cult thing. I like to learn about them. It's very interesting and with a mind like mine, there is so much information out there, and so little time. I am a very inquisitive person and will pick something apart until I have all the answers I need.

The things I know about the Bible now took many years to learn about. And to Kieren, if you want to see if the things are true on the net about the Bible all you have to do is look in one and see if that is what it really says, but like I said before. You have to watch out because the Bible has been rewritten 1,000's of times. You will never know unless you take a chance, and do some homework.

I will say that I am an Atheist. I don't believe that any of the Gods of the world religions are true. Now if there is a huge celestial being out there making the atoms and chemical compounds that make us and all the other things in this universe, all I can say is I don't know. But he/she/it isn't doing a damn thing about proving they exist. I believe more in the fact that there has always existed material things e.g. everything on the periodic table. And heck. There has to be stuff out there that we haven't discovered yet.

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The whole "religion has been the cause of wars for 2000+ years" cliche is ignorant. Yeah, people waged wars over religion thousands of years because they were primitive and didnt know better. It still happens, but only in backwards, primitive regions like the Middle East.

I don't believe in organized religion, I think Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all bullshit religion. But if it can make you a better person and inspire you to do good and help your fellow man, then I don't see anything wrong with it. As long as you dont impose your beliefs on others. Oh, and it's better to believe in something than nothing, atheists.


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Lol, hey now don't be a fanatic, there is a clear difference between Atheism and new-age nihilism, breh. If you want to get technical "Christians and other nihilists..."-Nietzsche Doesn't work as well with the new-age definition of nihilism, but it's still funny.

Atheists(for the most part) believe in nearly 15 billion years of cosmic evolution, they believe that without the destruction of a million suns our planet could not possibly be here, nevermind us. They believe that in our tiny suburb of the universe there exists somewhere between a hundred and four hundred BILLION stars, and also that their are hundreds of billions more galaxies--most containing hundreds of billions or even trillions of stars. They believe in complex organic chemistry that fosters evolution, that is responsible for the plethora of creatures who exist and have existed on our planet for the past ~3 billion years, give or take a billion. They believe in an immutable law of the land that exists exactly the same wherever you go in the Universe--which we theoretically call The Grand Unified Theory of Physics, and if we had computers powerful enough, most intelligent Atheists believe we could use Quantum Physics to foretell any possible event given the initial states of all objects involved--if only we had computers powerful enough to compute the effects of billions of molecules upon one another. Also, Atheists believe that Hydrogen atoms evolved into every single thing in the Universe, from black holes to your kitchen sink to the molecules in your left femur, everything was once Hydrogen, and was converted into more complex elements by the death of stars. Is this not faith?

In Contact(the book, not the atrocity that is the movie) Carl Sagan(as Ellie Arroway) wrote "Well then, I guess you weren't listening very closely to what I was saying this morning. I resent the idea that we're in some kind of faith contest, and you're the hands-down winner. So far as I know you've never tested your faith? I'm willing to do it for mine. Here, take a look out that window. There's a big Foucault pendulum out there. The bob must weigh five hundred pounds. My faith says that the amplitude of a free pendulum--how far it'll swing away from the vertical position--can never increase. It can only decrease. I'm willing to go out there, put the bob in front of my nose, let go, have it swing away and then back toward me. If my beliefs are in error, I'll get a five-hundred-pound pendulum smack in the face. Come on. You want to test my faith?" She later goes on to question her critic "Would you be willing to bring the pendulum to your nose, let go, then take a step forward, to test your faith?"

Now consider all those things I've said, even if you don't consider the millions of other findings of science, I've already given you more excitement, more destruction, more thought-provoking content than any religion to date, in my opinion. There is at least as much to my beliefs as there is to yours, if anything, there is much more to it.

If you think the Universe needs to have a creator to make sense, how can you get around the logic that that creator also implies a greater creator? And him an even greater one, and so on into infinity? Occam's Razor states that "All other things being equal, the simplest conclusion is usually the correct one." the simplest conclusion is that the Universe has always existed and has created everything else--including the very idea of God(by creating us). I'm not saying this is definitely the case, but it is by far the likelier of the two conclusions. Even if you've met God, dig up my topic about Dimethyltryptamine and that is explained. Organic Chemistry is an amazing thing indeed and, along with physics, explains the entirety of existence. As I believe I have already said in this topic, if God exists, he set into motion the Big Bang ~15 billion years ago and has not intervened since.



And last but not least, religion is still used widespread in America to get public opinion to support wars and other travesties all the time, what the hell are you talking about "only in backwards, primitive regions like the Middle East."?? don't believe the lies of the media, you're better than that. But opposed to your apparent belief, you are no better than the people of the Middle East. Breh. And by the way, Judaism, Christianity and Islam all have the exact same background--you're really only hating on all the factions of a single religion. The Abrahamic Religion. Should study the Dharmic and Taoic religions, they are more intellectual-friendly. In fact Hinduism asserts many of the scientific beliefs I've already stated, although in much more ambiguous terms, ofcourse.

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