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 Green Day, Pop Punk, and Bullshit 
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Sup everyone, I was just wondering what all of your opinions are on Green Day and other pop punk bands such as Bowling For Soup, Blink 182, etc. my personal opinion is that theyre a bunch of mindless, ignorant, pointless, stupid, retarded, wannabe poser dumbasses that can suck my ass. But I mean, thats just MY opinion :)... what do you think? ^.^

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you're clearly not a punk...

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Ok, that's not punk, punk should not be product of music industries, it should be against,not for corporations... my opinion it is. Otherwise if you'll look at it like that is no punk, than it should not been called as "punk" .. not even POP punk.

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I think everyone has their own tastes, but pop is not one of mine. In my opinion Pop is on par with the nu metal/hardcore shit out today.... Where disobeying your parents and NOT taking out the trash( :-O ) means your cool. If your a rebel nowadays blast some Bring me the horizon and cry while you headbang, you'll be out of chores and into a shrink in no time, your friends will think your cool. Well, thats my opinion, time to go throw some haymakers in the pit!

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There was already a post like this a while ago, and it turned to shit. but anywho, pop punk is a loose term, and so is punk rock. the ramones played pop punk and there are bands who still have a tru pop punk sound. granted, green day and blink 182 both took the mtv ride and are on the major labels, but on there early starts they played some great music that ill listen to every now and then. they both are still playing what they feel, on a side note they prolly think that they can do what they love and also get a shit ton of money. its unfair to say they are sellouts because you cant get in their heads or read their minds to find out. rAt you are just making a set of rules, fuck rules. and conformstopunk, the scene kids arent all that bad. most of them are, but i still hang out with a few and they are pretty chill. they understand how i feel about their music, and they like a lot of mine. BMTH isnt bad either, i dont agree with oli sykes on all terms, but you can tell he has alittle punk influence listen to the music. i do agree with you that a lot of it is shit, but some of it isn't. i drop the line at high pitch voices. and also, cry while you headbang? it aint all about crying. everyone has emotions tho. a lot of the bands sing about unity and love like punk bands do. overall, scene aint that great, some is still. back to bands, the way you cant tell if a band is really a sellout is when you see them live, i saw blink 182 with rancid and they both had all their hearts in it. if they got passion, it doen't matter how much money they get. but once again, almost all pop punk is bad in my opinion, about 15% is good. what i rlly hate are those punk goes compilations when all the bands are scene

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There was already a post like this a while ago, and it turned to shit. but anywho, pop punk is a loose term, and so is punk rock. the ramones played pop punk and there are bands who still have a tru pop punk sound. granted, green day and blink 182 both took the mtv ride and are on the major labels, but on there early starts they played some great music that ill listen to every now and then. they both are still playing what they feel, on a side note they prolly think that they can do what they love and also get a shit ton of money. its unfair to say they are sellouts because you cant get in their heads or read their minds to find out. rAt you are just making a set of rules, fuck rules. and conformstopunk, the scene kids arent all that bad. most of them are, but i still hang out with a few and they are pretty chill. they understand how i feel about their music, and they like a lot of mine. BMTH isnt bad either, i dont agree with oli sykes on all terms, but you can tell he has alittle punk influence listen to the music. i do agree with you that a lot of it is shit, but some of it isn't. i drop the line at high pitch voices. and also, cry while you headbang? it aint all about crying. everyone has emotions tho. a lot of the bands sing about unity and love like punk bands do. overall, scene aint that great, some is still. back to bands, the way you cant tell if a band is really a sellout is when you see them live, i saw blink 182 with rancid and they both had all their hearts in it. if they got passion, it doen't matter how much money they get. but once again, almost all pop punk is bad in my opinion, about 15% is good. what i rlly hate are those punk goes compilations when all the bands are scene



well put I remember when I greenday first came out I was still in highschool and there was little to no punk scene(small town rural) there was no local record store or any shit like that and a bootleg version of kerplunk co0st me 5 bucks and they were one of my first experiences with punk(fuck you I'm from a small town) and that led me shortly to op ivy,minor threat and more and more. unfortunately they made the tragic UN-punk mistake of jumping on the MTV bandwagon and

taking a ride on the corporate cock and that's just the way they went they had a perfectly good punk start. now look at me I'm a so called skin, and I've been one since i was 18 and i'm 34 and I have a taste for some NOFX now some might call that posuerish or say they have a pop punk like sound but they've never sold out. they even sued mtv for airing one of their videos. I can agree there not the hard core shit a skin should be listening to but they amuse me with their tales

of alchoholism and drug abuse and a mutual hatred for hippies but some will still call them "bubblegum" or pop punk in a way. in my opinion if it sounds good turn it up. people should spend less time worrying about what to lable what and in my opinion the best way to express being punk is to just keep a FUCK EVERYTHING attitude, middle finger raised for all to see.


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i agree

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bigblu wrote:
I have a taste for some NOFX now some might call that posuerish or say they have a pop punk like sound but they've never sold out. they even sued mtv for airing one of their videos. I can agree there not the hard core shit a skin should be listening to but they amuse me with their tales of alchoholism and drug abuse and a mutual hatred for hippies but some will still call them "bubblegum" or pop punk in a way.


Never sold out? They play Warped Tour, they encourage voting and Fat Mike has apparently spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on a huge house for himself.

bigblu wrote:
in my opinion if it sounds good turn it up. people should spend less time worrying about what to lable what and in my opinion the best way to express being punk is to just keep a FUCK EVERYTHING attitude, middle finger raised for all to see.


Well it's not as simple as "if it sounds good turn it up" - would you still listen to a racist band just because they 'sound good' ? No. And punk isn't about "fuck everything" :-/


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horrorpunk-zombie wrote:
bigblu wrote:
I have a taste for some NOFX now some might call that posuerish or say they have a pop punk like sound but they've never sold out. they even sued mtv for airing one of their videos. I can agree there not the hard core shit a skin should be listening to but they amuse me with their tales of alchoholism and drug abuse and a mutual hatred for hippies but some will still call them "bubblegum" or pop punk in a way.


Never sold out? They play Warped Tour, they encourage voting and Fat Mike has apparently spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on a huge house for himself.

bigblu wrote:
in my opinion if it sounds good turn it up. people should spend less time worrying about what to lable what and in my opinion the best way to express being punk is to just keep a FUCK EVERYTHING attitude, middle finger raised for all to see.


Well it's not as simple as "if it sounds good turn it up" - would you still listen to a racist band just because they 'sound good' ? No. And punk isn't about "fuck everything" :-/


while I never went to the warped tour,I tend to ramble late at night (its the meds) and I know punk cant be summed up as a fuck you attitude, but like it is with some things being "punk or whatever you want to label yourself in reality can't be defined by the masses so it probably means something different to each of us.and to me in my heart it's that fuck you attitude that years of drowning my ears in it has given me. I spent the finest days of my youth listening to this shit and

now I ain't so young but I still have that fuck you inside me,that fuck the system( all of them because they all equally suck in there own way but that's another topic) and unity and all that rederic. and I even go as far to teach my kids that shit, I have a twelve year old little budding punk that I expose to this band or that idea and so on. maybe I shouldn't listen to the words but anyway some of us might have a majority opinion of it but at the end of the day were all here for pretty much the same reason "for love of music and scene" that's the bottom line. I'm here cause all of my asshole friends listen

to metal and I need some comradely. some people are here so they can point out that there the real deal and point out all the posures beneath them. really who fucking cares as long as there not a bigot or spreading hate.

I agree with you on the racist music point but you caught me on a technicality. I automatically didn't even consider that bull shit train wreck of a music scene when I wrote that. but good point.score one for you.

as for nofx so fat mike has a big house? has made alot of money?what do you do with your paychecks do they all go to the cause? I donate my 10% where I think it should go and some times more. fat mike and crew have made a ton of records and I'm no economist but that might generate a bit of money. they played the warped tour? they always are pushing some political idea or other and sometimes to reach the masses you have to do some work , I wonder how many

middle class brats they influenced on that tour. If I had a message I wouldn't turn down that opportunity. maybe I'm wrong and there secretly a bunch of capitalist fucking pigs. just about every nofx show Ive been to they encourage the stealing of their music from store or internet. if there full of shit they sell a good game with their lyrics and extra curricular activities like "punkvoter.com or what ever charity they happen to be working and if you google them with the

word charity you come up with alot. I could sit here and cut and paste my points but i'm not a total dick(maybe) also they have alot of songs about addiction and alcoholisms which are two demons I have faced and conquered so I enjoy the references. I set out to make a playlist of songs just about addiction and I 13 out of 16 are nofx.( if you have some suggestions I'm all ears) recent albums almost completely deal with social inequalities and political issues. they have a large

"podium to stand on now and are obviously trying to spread a message. now you may or may not agree with their shit or maybe you just don't like their sound and that's fine but they've been around since 1983 and may not be young anymore but still idealistic and unless its all a sham( and you cant fake it for ever especially 28 fucking years in the biz) to me

that's pretty fucking punk too! I'm a skin, a lonley skin without a crew. I got laced and braced in southern cali in the late 90's during the big punk boom that seemed to happen and I picked them up around then because they amused me, basically. but i've done my time representing and have gone toe to toe with more than a few facist bitches, got my ass

kicked for wearing the wrong colors too. socal is and was full of facist skins.I was a union bricklayer and organizer for many a year now and I lived the working class life. I'm going to school for software engineering(definitely not grammar and punctuation so I don't wanna hear it) . does that make me a sellout for "not being working class anymore" some day I'm gonna make alot of money and maybe buy a big house of my own to fill with little skinheads, why is it that people hate on

the successful so much he's done his share and more and is still spreading the word, should he be a total mayrter and live on the streets cause that's more punk? he's old and I know a little about that especially after years of drug and boozin I don't even wanna talk about my medical condition.MY goal is to make some cash give my family a better life

(I do not mean a materialistic money grubbing capitalist life)and do some good with the rest. Ive been there done that and I'm not saying that I'm more punk than you or calling you a posure or anythin I got nothin but respect and enjoy a good argument.

one last thing, yeah he encouraged people to vote. do you have any idea what the last prez did to my country? were fucked and soon well all be poor enough to call ourselves punk. voting although futile as all politicians, are evil is the only force of change short of rebellion.


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reviewing and paitently waiting for a response just because I love to discuss this shit, I neglected to point out something which is either a difference in our two country's social situation or a dumb typo. but if fat mike payed "hundreds of thousands of dollars for a house" thats about what a normal house costs. I payed 250,000 for mine does that make me a

sell out too? is it not punk to tell the land lord to go fuck himself and be a little self reliant?the most unpunk thing I'm forced to do is play peek a boo with a 13 month old it takes u down a notch losing your freedom unless you wanna bea a deadbeat dad and im absolutly positive that sombody out there will find that "totally punk" but im away from the point

and digressing anyway a couple of hundred thousand could be a bargin on a basic three bedroom house with no land where I live and I'm in whats considered a low income rural area. but ill give you the benifit of the doubt and assume he's living in some multi million dollar mansion plotting his next punk ruse to screw his fanbase, now why the hell would

someone so viciously stick up for a band? dunno maybe im just a little crazy. but I stick up for everything else I like even the worst of my friends would receive my support. or maybe im just a bord old fuck with nothing better to do than show off my lack of grammer and punctuation in a long rant about somethin I'm pretty much alone in supporting but, isnt that what it means to represent? right ?


you just made me reply to my own post
sooooo godamn bord
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I think everyone has their own tastes, but pop is not one of mine. In my opinion Pop is on par with the nu metal/hardcore shit out today.... Where disobeying your parents and NOT taking out the trash( :-O ) means your cool. If your a rebel nowadays blast some Bring me the horizon and cry while you headbang, you'll be out of chores and into a shrink in no time, your friends will think your cool. Well, thats my opinion, time to go throw some haymakers in the pit!


sorry I over looked this one but well fucking put!


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as for nofx so fat mike has a big house? has made alot of money?what do you do with your paychecks do they all go to the cause? I donate my 10% where I think it should go and some times more. fat mike and crew have made a ton of records and I'm no economist but that might generate a bit of money.


There are many people who earn next to nothing and still manage to get by fine. "What else should he do with his money?" is a lame excuse for spending it on materialistic things you don't actually need, when it could go to worthwhile projects, charities and organisations with still enough to spare for yourself.

bigblu wrote:
they played the warped tour? they always are pushing some political idea or other and sometimes to reach the masses you have to do some work , I wonder how many middle class brats they influenced on that tour.


It's highly hypocritical of him since he and the band try to come across as anti-corporation and anti-capitalist and shit, but then he spends millions on a big house and plays corporate shows like Vans' Warped Tour. (Where the likes of Katy Perry have also played... she's sooo anti-corporate right?!)

There are other ways to 'reach the masses' than going against your principles. It's obvious they only did it for the money, not to spread their message... whatever that is anyway; fighting, drinking, drugs, sex with hippies, etc? What a message!! Look at Crass - they never played huge gigs and they're easily one of the most influential punk bands ever.


bigblu wrote:
and extra curricular activities like "punkvoter.com"


lol punkvoter.com... what a load of shit.


bigblu wrote:
also they have alot of songs about addiction and alcoholisms which are two demons I have faced and conquered so I enjoy the references. I set out to make a playlist of songs just about addiction and I 13 out of 16 are nofx.( if you have some suggestions I'm all ears) recent albums almost completely deal with social inequalities and political issues.


Sorry but songs about addiction to drugs and/or alcohol don't mean shit to me. I don't listen to a band to hear that kind of stuff, what message is that spreading? "We were once drug/alcohol addicts".... yeah so what?


bigblu wrote:
does that make me a sellout for "not being working class anymore" some day I'm gonna make alot of money and maybe buy a big house of my own to fill with little skinheads, why is it that people hate on the successful so much he's done his share and more and is still spreading the word, should he be a total mayrter and live on the streets cause that's more punk?


Who is 'he' that you keep referring to? Yourself, or anyone from a band or something? It's not about 'hating on the successful', it's about 'hating' on the hypocrites who say theyr'e anti-capitalist and whatnot, but then charge a heck of a lot for their gigs, play at huge corporate-owned festivals (Warped Tour anyone?) and become exactly what they once said they were against.

bigblu wrote:
MY goal is to make some cash give my family a better life (I do not mean a materialistic money grubbing capitalist life)and do some good with the rest.


I think you've got this ridiculous idea that money = success and happiness. Who says money will give your family a better life? Because they can buy things with it? Isn't that then materialistic? Your goal is to make cash? Don't you see how wrong that sounds?

bigblu wrote:
one last thing, yeah he encouraged people to vote. do you have any idea what the last prez did to my country? were fucked and soon well all be poor enough to call ourselves punk. voting although futile as all politicians, are evil is the only force of change short of rebellion.


Voting doesn't change a goddamn thing, sorry but you're deluding yourself if you think otherwise.
"If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal."

bigblu wrote:
I neglected to point out something which is either a difference in our two country's social situation or a dumb typo. but if fat mike payed "hundreds of thousands of dollars for a house" thats about what a normal house costs. I payed 250,000 for mine does that make me a sell out too? is it not punk to tell the land lord to go fuck himself and be a little self reliant?


A bit of both - social situation and a dumb typo lol. $250,000 is about £160,000.... that's a fucking lot for a house, or for anything obviously :P How the hell did you get that money? Loan?

If you bought a house you're not telling the landlord/lady to do anything... if you bought it then normally it's because it's either been put up for auction or the landlord/lady doesn't want it anymore and has given to it an estate agents which is where you would get it from. Unless you mean you're telling the council who owns the house (I don't know how it works in the US so ignore me if I'm talking shit) to go fuck themselves? How does buying the house make you self reliant? If you got that money through a loan, then surely you're now in debt which means you're paying money back to the bank anyway?

bigblu wrote:
the most unpunk thing I'm forced to do is play peek a boo with a 13 month old it takes u down a notch losing your freedom unless you wanna bea a deadbeat dad


Whaaat? Playing with your kid is "unpunk"??? I don't even know where to start with that...

bigblu wrote:
but I stick up for everything else I like even the worst of my friends would receive my support. or maybe im just a bord old fuck with nothing better to do than show off my lack of grammer and punctuation in a long rant about somethin I'm pretty much alone in supporting but, isnt that what it means to represent? right ?


No, I would call that kissing ass. You don't have to defend absolutely everything, just defend what you believe in.

bigblu wrote:
you just made me reply to my own post


Lol, at least you're actually talking... everyone who joins this site makes a couple of posts and then disppear a few days later, never to be seen again. :P


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@ Horrorpunkzombie so i tried to sit down last night and write a reply it was pretty good too but around 3am everything shit the bed and my computer "crashed" so after banging my head against the wall for a bit went to bed frustrated as I had been writing since midnight. so basically I'm gonna try and do my best to do it all over.I apologize in advance for shit

that might not make sense as I have the habit of editing on the fly and I haven't quite mastered it but perfection is not my objective.I am adding in a warning in order to correctly describe my ideas in the last post I generalized and as I

absolutly have to have my "current Ideals" as understood as I can possibly make them. I will probably go into detail that no one could possibly give a fuck about.I'm just describing my little struggle. so if your really not that interested stop fucking reading. If you are interested in what you can do in skinhead retirement come take a peek at my little world.I may contradict myself ,multiple times even but basicly I even have ideals that oppose each other the basic Idea is that really none of us have the right answer for some of the problems ill referance or mention.

while this string started off about my defending something as dumb as a silly little band.I need to ex plane a bit about the reality that I live in as there are big differences in both our governments and society's.as an added point I've always liked your country/countrymen and Ive met a bit of people in my travels and they always solidified that point. I digress. ill try and do this point by point with some other explanations added in.


1.I get it your probobly right and NOFX has strayed from the path. unfortunately things like money (and power for that matter) corrupt and in a society like this it happens to alot who gain a bit of fame/popularity and if they stories of drugs and boozing are true,years of substance abuse can warp your mind and its easy to lose sight of your Ideals. maybe I should hold them accountable and take more of a stand but like I said before they really just amuse me with stupid shit

like " happy birthday your not special"it s just funny to me and people who make me laugh dont necessarily get a pass but there likeable.I probably shouldn't have tried to defend them as i did but I'm just a nut like that and like to argue bleh! maybe Ive grown too soft but in life some things will rock the foundations of your beliefs and priority's get rearranged. (and we will get to that later). is that a good excuse,I dunno,alot of people I know don't support my Ideals and either dont get it or are seduced by the commercialism of the USA.there still people to me and I'd

help just about anyone(another point for later) I guess everybody's like a fucking snowflake, each one is different. my father is a patriotic nationalist republican who mentally lives in 1954 and we agree on nothing politically or socially and believes that everyone on welfare is black and probably working the system. if he were anyone else Id be alot more

pissed but some people are just products of their environment ar another time and place and maybe I should blame my grandfater for some of it? its thru education that that things like that will change, over time. maybe....


2. I can understand how you might misinterpret my whole money,success thing blah blah. when my first kid was born I lived in a shitty neighborhood which was fine for me and my girl as its different when you don't have a family.anybody who dosent have kids might not understand the things that go thru your head. I had some serious new real life things to consider if I wanted to give my kid the best shot at life and raise him with proper ideals as I didnt do him any favors bringing him into a country like this where the black /white racial tenson ( ive mentioned before my wife is cape Verdi).

does exist and he's gotten a taste of that and had some trouble at school and some of it gets physical, I basicly tell him that I am proud of the fact that he is not afraid of standing up for him self and some times you have to do what you did, you caqn do more damage and more good with the right words and if you know how to say the right shit it can sting alot more thak some school yard brawl. I'm interested in making a paycheck to provide security and a future for my kids,

raising children is expensive (and hard) I don't spoil my family but I get them all they need and in the event I cant work there's a bit there to help in that kind of emergency. theirs probably a real difference in what our respective country's will do for us. in the USA your pretty much expected to take care of yourself and your family. so its up to me to take the necessary steps and Ive done some interesting shit to make my idea of a good environment but we'll see. I make or made as i'm in school right now, i made great money in the bricklaying biz I was active in my union and organized some shops

on my own. I believe in fair labor , a decent wage all those workers right and its probably where most of my effort has gone over the years. although i dont do that anymore for reasons posted else where. I do still do a bit of work on the side and teach my kid the trade (nothing like having a skill to fall back on to survive and its my job to make to teach him) I'm in school I'm still paying union dues and will always be a member.

3.living in the ghetto we have what we call "slum lords" people who rent out substandard/unsafe housing where you miss the rent and boom, your homeless and there's not shit you can do. so yeah telling my land lord what a piece of shit he was and to fuck off is a pretty big thing,So anyhow on to what I did, I used a veterans subsidized loan( yes I served in the military too and if needed I can debate that too and some)to buy alot of land in my home town and I have a bunch,

25 acres. now before you shit, alot of that is swamp and is unsuitable and is basicly used for hunting,I let just about anybody use the land as long as I know what there up to. unfortunately if the wrong person were to hurt themselves on my property I could get sued and lose potentially everything and as I said ,family first., there's a decent size pond that's stream fed and there's a couple abandoned old farm houses I have future pipe dreams for. as for the house I'm a

bricklayer/mason and with the help of family and friends did about 80% of the work. I have about two acres of cleared land around it with some utility buildings for some of my shadier illicit activity's and since I don't use oil heat of gas heat my home with trees I cut and split by hand over the summer/fall from the property (takes about one and a half large trees to heat for the winter) I have all sorts of chickens and a couple of goats and a pig that I had obvious plans for but

my kid named it and once that happens it pretty much becomes a pet....I'd get a cow if I had enough room.while I have alot of sentiments that are unfamiliar to people around here I am still American and there are traits and Ideas that you are brought up with that die hard . in rural areas people are expected to take care of themselves and dislike government interference local government gets together at town meetings so the people cand come together and put in there ideas in rural America this is life( and well get to that).in urban areas its different people have govt services readily available

and those who are brought up that way expect a certain level of support from the government. there apples and oranges night and day. I have the belief that those who cant take care of themselves should be taken care of and those who are able to take care of them selves should. I might disagreed with you here but that's fine, I think if you decide to spend your life working hard for the survival of your family and been socially active you have basically earned the right to live as you choose. and I used the wrong words when I said hating on success but some people might look at what I have and

draw some fucked up conclusions. I don't mean horde wealth and I really don't know the solution as I believe in both personal freedom and social responsibility. lol am I a social bi polar? in a perfect world man could do what he wants and take care of his fellow man as well.i unfortunately there are only so many of us that hold that belief I would I completely understand and believe that there are some who will even just be lazy and take advantage of the system and I accept it

as every person cant be expected to have the same ability's,desires,ideals,drive, or what ever else might motivate people to survive. I'll even say that I'll tow the line for them but I'm only human and inside I feel that is a wasted life. that but in life we cant all do the right thing and fight the fight. I'd like to go completely solar and get off the grid but I really don't get enough sun here so whatever. I have a good sized summer garden and grow some shit I consider homeopathic like

marijuana and some mushrooms and other herbs blah blah.I really probably just grow the illegal shit because its illegal and I like to think I can do whatever I want out here as were so isolated and its my personal little rebellion:) my closest neighbor is about a mile and a half away. and forget about the police or any other form of authority im far of the main road and it's hart to tell im even here. living like this brings its own reality but to me its the best way to raise my two

(and Ive got plans for a bunch) children where the main influence inst commercialism that's shoved down their thoughts or MTV(no cable tv but do have shit like net-flicks if your familiar Ive set my family up so that if needed we can live on a shoestring wfor some entertainment and I bootleg the rest) but the biggest influence will be their own family.the last detail is I keep a basement apartment to help people I come across who need to be picked up for a bit, I have a friend living down there in the process of kicking heroin(which that money I talked about needing to make is paying for his

medical treatment) for an added point he has some mixed racial views and we talk about that shit but as with most people I meet I find good in them(I could just be deluded but that's me) It's also a lesson in compassion for my kids.this is what I was talking about when I said make money, I do save a large amount to maybe put my kids thru collage if that's what they want. I wish we lived in a world where education was a right but we don't. if they don't i wil find some good to do with it

its also a belief of mine and its just me but urban life ,while it can create amazing movements and cultural revolutions can also bing out the worst in some of society and just isnt for me.this all might sound a little nuts but its just I set out to create a good environment to raise the family with some ideals values and thru ideas I learned as a skin like solid

working class life and the reward of hard work. Ive done ok, dont have any illusions that I have some sort of Utopia over here weve had plenty of typical family problems and its neither an easy or perfect life but its what ive done so far to take care of my tribe and Ive got bigger and better plans too come.I also know how lucky I am to have what I do and I do my

best to "pay it forward"and if you haven't noticed already I'm a little Nuts and that's where some of the passion comes from....but it takes a special kind of crazy to do some of this shit.

3.voting, I agree with your sentiments of voting on a national level but locally is where you can do shit at least here. im active in local politics ive helped a neighbor with similar ideas get elected with money and time donated. I go to town meetings to stir shit up if I see some bullshit i dont like, and have been kicked out of more than one, heheh! alot of people might not like what I have to say but they've sure fucking heard me! and I helped with stupid little shit like more money for the school budget raises for teachers and whatever else comes along.I don't like the system but I know how

to work it to get shit done and if your as passionate as you seem you should too!(if your not already)I might just be naive but I don't think politicians always start off as power hungry liars,some even start off like you and me but hears my take on it basically most start at a local level and have their own set of ideals but as it goes you cant get shit done with out getting other politicians to agree with you but your either gonna have to be real charming and sell a good idea well or more than likely their gonna have to find a compromise in their ideals to push their more important agendas.they

slowly get corrupted by the system as the saying goes" dance with the devil, devil don't change, devil changes you" you throw in lobbyists which your probably unfamiliar with, as I think they are an American thing but here is a little cut and paste description"Professional lobbyists are people whose business is trying to influence legislation on behalf of a special interest who hires them" any political movement, charity or business with the financial backing and has these and unfortunately large corporations have many and they often are very influential and or corrupt in their dealings as they will

help a politician with Idea #1 if he compromises and votes for their political agenda.I am probably telling you something that you might know more about than me. despite my lack of faith in just about any form of government. In my readings and I'm unsure who but someone once said that "all forms of government are inherently evil"(you might know who I'm referencing) basically meaning by the things they need to do to function there will always be some bad shit done.and that's just trying to sum it up.the simple reason,in my belief is that we are imperfect creatures and are incapable of

creating anything infallible.I do not know the answer to this. I have just come to the conclusion that basically the best thing I can do is work to better my area. that dosen't mean I stopped caring about all the rest of the world but I think you reach a point where you basicly realize what you can and cant accomplish, once you figure that out your at the point where your ready to do some good. that's basically what it came to with my ideals. and I might even try and hold

political office when I'm retired and no longer need to generate the support for the family. you may find that a ridicules Idea but I know what I can and cant do from there.maybe I'm a dreamer or I fucking live in fantasy land or I'll probably end up mad with power and marching the towns people to my work camps. I just might go over the edge with age...

4. addiction I don't expect you to understand and I hope you never have to. like I said it was with parent hood unless youve been there you will not really know. it's a cause I champion but I still believe people should be able to do as they please as long as there basicly not putting there dick in someone elses pudding(try figuring that out ha!) no as long as the crime is victimless and your still taking care of your prioritys knock yourself out.but there are some facts basically

around 60-70 % of addicts have one or multiple mental illnesses that they are self medicating with. I'm not ashamed to say that includes me. I was an alcoholic and an opiate addict , heroin, pain meds that shit. statistically I'm lucky to kick the habit as the odds are 1 in 5 when my wife said the party was over I maned up and went to the hospital where they diagnosed me with Bi-polar 2 which is the Happy go lucky version hahah I say this shit in public tower let other people

know that it's possible to live a better life with the right help as for addiction related shit I hate fucking addiction meetings and do my own shit thru what I read or listen to thats how I keep it in check and I'm on the right medicine for my mental cooties. as for the alcoholism I basicly was a bad drunk with a big mouth( and a bit of a dick) and would get into the worst trouble and pick the wrong fights with local idiots. win or lose you still end up in jail and in pain. It is

another situation where my wife basically told me that the next time I got arrested I could stay there so you can figure the rest out.I listen to stupid nofx songs and look back and laugh at the dumb shit.


5.materialism I think some times people see one thing and automatically think the worst, could be just a facet of human nature (and those are words that would probobly sum up why I get over some of the shit people do) I digress, I do my best to buy things that are a number of things I desire when I spend my money and I dont believe in making alot of waste and most shit is made not to last as long as you would like and I think this is just to generate more sales so when I

spend my money shit should be reliable, durable,functional,well engineered and technologically superior, dont take that last bit to seriously I just believe that if it preform es a function better and is goin to last you a decent amount of time and it will serve an actual purpose that is needed than its the thing to get ,unfortunately if you what reliable things more

often than not your gonna have to pay for it and maybe it's the German in me but I believe efficincy is important as are all my other desires I live a very Isolated and independant life and I'm not gona work with an axe if I can afford a chain saw just because there are people in the world that get by with an axe. I have an axse and if I ever run out of gas and absolutly have to cut down a tree I'm not afraid to pick that bitch up! I do own a couple of things that might be

questionable. I have an Iphone, I dont like apple very much but its a very efficent tool and despite the commercialism and corporate misgivings, I like their products for the most part, I think they charge way too much and are wrong in holding a fdeath grip on the rights to develop software. but like I said I believe things efficiency and technology are tools that are there to improve the human experience and I believe not to use the best tool for whatever your trying to accomplish is counter productive to what I consider natural evolution( and Ill get to that last) I have to make compromises all the time in a capitalistic society, I have to choose to shop for the little thing that I cant provide for my

self at target or walmart both corporate fuck holes. my kids get alot of hands me down clothing from other family's and we donate the outgrown stuff. but I have basic human needs and I have to get them some where I dont like it and if I caould avoid it I'd burn down both those fuckers! I'm about to probably contradict myself but I also believe I have worked,served and even held up my ideals to enough of an extent that I have earned the right to live in the manner I

desire.I don't think I'm better I just believe you can carve out the life you desire if you live right. I dont want to have tons of shit. just usefully things that make my mission on this planet a bit easier and altho I wish everyone payed it forward in some fashon or another. I hate the Idea of any group of people deciding on how any human gets to live. but that contradicts othe things too so some times your even compromising some values for others. its a crazy concept but

no matter how richious we think we are in our cause none of us have any of the answers to life. I have to make compromises all the time in a capitalistic society, I have to choose to shop for the little thing that I cant provide for my self at target or walmart both corperate fuck holes. my kids get alot of hands me down clothing from other local familys and we donate the outgrown stuff. but I have basic human needs and I have to get them some where I dont like it and if I could avoid it I'd burn down both those fuckers!but realistically ...nah lol.






this is all I can possibly writ so this is it and if I happend to miss a point I wanted to cover I'll re post tomorrow. not that it takes me long to thing or type and its obvious I care nothing for spelling grammar or punctuation and Ive said this before(I just prioritize and I'm having a discussion not proving how well I did in grammar school, I am in collage and Ive written my share of papers,I like writing as much as I like arguing if only people enjoyed me doing it ha! I like it even

when I have to be proper (write) and I would some day like to write a book but Ive got a million some-days but that's what makes life a little more palatable, the some-days. I'm sure there might be a sentance or two that might be a little fucked up Ive been writing , editing erasing rewriting smoked at least a pack of cigarets so between and changing shitty diapers chasing down a kid all day and my wife has asked me who the hell I'm talking to and although i tried to explain it

shes still convinced I'm talking to women lol thru all this Ive probobly fucked something up. I got pretty specific with what I do with my life. I painted a picture with to broad of a stroke and left my life open to misinterpretation,and I dont like that Idea even if its to a complete stranger from a far away land, I want to represent my shit properly as I take a little pride in some of the shit I do and I like to talk about my number one cause my crazy ever expanding tribe. I tend to have to get some real detail in there to do it people may or may not give a fuck about any of this shit and its become

completly off topic but this conversation is probably the most interesting thing that will happen to me for days, thats just life for me, you may still object to some of how I think and what I believe but Ive been keeping it real and holding up to my own Idea of what a mans responsibility is to his family is and it seems were both representing in our own way.I am curious to find out how old you areand I'd be interested to hear what you do, as you obviously have some above average

Ideals and one cant just talk about them forever without doing something eventually. It some times helps to get something like a snapshot of someones life to help understand what they really mean. as for postin alot on this site. I'll be on when I can but I was off this week from school and start the next semester and between that and the family it keeps me busy. Ill pop on when I can. I started when I got up this morning and now its 1230 so I'm fucking out! at this point you may think im fucking crazy, yeah crazy like a fox.

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after all that goddamn gumflappin I forgot the only point that went up my ass.

for the record I love playing peekaboo with my kid I just look back and think wow how the hell I get here?.


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I will say this. Pop "punk" isn't music I listen to, BUT they are just playing music they like to play. They are also called pop punk because that is what people call them that want to endorse them. A lot of the bands don't even consider themselves to be apart of the punk seine in anyway. Like I said. It is what the record companies, radio stations and other retards that don't know what to categorize their music as call them.

I don't have any problems with them. They aren't hurting us so I just ignore them. If you think they are hurting us or doing something to the seine then it's you that is doing something. By calling attention to them you are putting yourself in a position to have to defend something that doesn't needed to be defended at the time. Do what I do and ignore it. Stop wasting your time. There is always going to be something trying to be passed off as something it isn't. Get use to it.


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@horrorpunkzombie I might not completely agree with your sentiments on punk voter I'm undecided and i just don't care any more. I'll learn to better pick my battles but I'd like to ask you if you were to create something on the internet to promote your ideals or social justice or fight against any danger to humanitys well being as best something of that sorts can. what would you do? Ive taken plenty of web design courses and java and if your as passionate about things as you say you are I'll work with you to make it happen. put your money where your mouth is! I'll even use my capitalist pig money to pay server fees. in the event that your just a complete nihilist I can respect that and not all of us can have faith so fuck it. I'm dead serious and wanna see what you can come up with. so lets go! any skills I have are at your disposal and I'll work with you on any Idea you can come up with.

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This same conversation has been dragged through every generation since the early days of punk. When I was a teen we argued about who started punk, but we were all wrong. Considering the meaning of punk has completely changed over the years, the relevancy of this argument has become null and void.

Just listen to whatever you want to , dress however you want to, and be yourself. If you make money at doing so, good for you. Nobody is forcing you to listen to Green Day & nobody should really give a shit if you do like them.

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CopyRiot77 wrote:
This same conversation has been dragged through every generation since the early days of punk. When I was a teen we argued about who started punk, but we were all wrong. Considering the meaning of punk has completely changed over the years, the relevancy of this argument has become null and void.

Just listen to whatever you want to , dress however you want to, and be yourself. If you make money at doing so, good for you. Nobody is forcing you to listen to Green Day & nobody should really give a shit if you do like them.



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bigblu wrote:
@ Horrorpunkzombie so i tried to sit down last night and write a reply it was pretty good too but around 3am everything shit the bed and my computer "crashed" so after banging my head against the wall for a bit went to bed frustrated as I had been writing since midnight. so basically I'm gonna try and do my best to do it all over.


That's ok lol, stuff like that always happens. In fact it just happened to me now as I went to post this - I clicked submit and it asked me to login :? Luckily I had already copied it so it was safe!

bigblu wrote:
1.I get it your probobly right and NOFX has strayed from the path. unfortunately things like money (and power for that matter) corrupt and in a society like this it happens to alot who gain a bit of fame/popularity and if they stories of drugs and boozing are true,years of substance abuse can warp your mind and its easy to lose sight of your Ideals. maybe I should hold them accountable and take more of a stand but like I said before they really just amuse me with stupid shit like " happy birthday your not special"it s just funny to me and people who make me laugh dont necessarily get a pass but there likeable.I probably shouldn't have tried to defend them as i did but I'm just a nut like that and like to argue bleh! maybe Ive grown too soft but in life some things will rock the foundations of your beliefs and priority's get rearranged. (and we will get to that later). is that a good excuse, I dunno, alot of people I know don't support my Ideals and either dont get it or are seduced by the commercialism of the USA. there still people to me and I'd help just about anyone(another point for later) I guess everybody's like a fucking snowflake, each one is different. my father is a patriotic nationalist republican who mentally lives in 1954 and we agree on nothing politically or socially and believes that everyone on welfare is black and probably working the system. if he were anyone else Id be alot more pissed but some people are just products of their environment ar another time and place and maybe I should blame my grandfater for some of it? its thru education that that things like that will change, over time. maybe....


Fair enough about NoFX. It's true money does corrupt but lots of bands have managed to stay 'uncorrupted' by it. I think if you are genuinely, really passionate about your principles, beliefs and ideals then nothing should sway you otherwise. Alcohol and drugs aren't an excuse either.

I understand what you mean about your father, most of my family have completely different political/social views to me as well and nothing I say seems to change their minds unfortunately. All we can do is try and teach them I guess! And by 'education' do you mean school education? Because that won't change shit!

bigblu wrote:
2. I can understand how you might misinterpret my whole money,success thing blah blah. when my first kid was born I lived in a shitty neighborhood which was fine for me and my girl as its different when you don't have a family.anybody who dosent have kids might not understand the things that go thru your head. I had some serious new real life things to consider if I wanted to give my kid the best shot at life and raise him with proper ideals as I didnt do him any favors bringing him into a country like this where the black /white racial tenson ( ive mentioned before my wife is cape Verdi) does exist and he's gotten a taste of that and had some trouble at school and some of it gets physical, I basicly tell him that I am proud of the fact that he is not afraid of standing up for him self and some times you have to do what you did, you caqn do more damage and more good with the right words and if you know how to say the right shit it can sting alot more thak some school yard brawl. I'm interested in making a paycheck to provide security and a future for my kids, raising children is expensive (and hard) I don't spoil my family but I get them all they need and in the event I cant work there's a bit there to help in that kind of emergency. theirs probably a real difference in what our respective country's will do for us. in the USA your pretty much expected to take care of yourself and your family. so its up to me to take the necessary steps and Ive done some interesting shit to make my idea of a good environment but we'll see. I make or made as i'm in school right now, i made great money in the bricklaying biz I was active in my union and organized some shops on my own. I believe in fair labor , a decent wage all those workers right and its probably where most of my effort has gone over the years. although i dont do that anymore for reasons posted else where. I do still do a bit of work on the side and teach my kid the trade (nothing like having a skill to fall back on to survive and its my job to make to teach him) I'm in school I'm still paying union dues and will always be a member.


I understand that you want to provide your family with security and all that, of course you do!, but I just feel that you have the wrong idea of "my goal is to make money". How will money give your family security? If someone hassles them and gives them abuse, will you throw money at that person!? What good would your money be then? The notion of money = success and happiness is what the governments try to make everyone buy into (all governments by the way, not just America's). As long as you all have a roof over your heads, food/drink and a clean environment then isn't that all that matters?

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3.living in the ghetto we have what we call "slum lords" people who rent out substandard/unsafe housing where you miss the rent and boom, your homeless and there's not shit you can do. so yeah telling my land lord what a piece of shit he was and to fuck off is a pretty big thing,So anyhow on to what I did, I used a veterans subsidized loan( yes I served in the military too and if needed I can debate that too and some)to buy alot of land in my home town and I have a bunch, 25 acres. now before you shit, alot of that is swamp and is unsuitable and is basicly used for hunting,I let just about anybody use the land as long as I know what there up to. unfortunately if the wrong person were to hurt themselves on my property I could get sued and lose potentially everything and as I said ,family first., there's a decent size pond that's stream fed and there's a couple abandoned old farm houses I have future pipe dreams for. as for the house I'm a bricklayer/mason and with the help of family and friends did about 80% of the work. I have about two acres of cleared land around it with some utility buildings for some of my shadier illicit activity's and since I don't use oil heat of gas heat my home with trees I cut and split by hand over the summer/fall from the property (takes about one and a half large trees to heat for the winter) I have all sorts of chickens and a couple of goats and a pig that I had obvious plans for but my kid named it and once that happens it pretty much becomes a pet....I'd get a cow if I had enough room.while I have alot of sentiments that are unfamiliar to people around here I am still American and there are traits and Ideas that you are brought up with that die hard . in rural areas people are expected to take care of themselves and dislike government interference local government gets together at town meetings so the people cand come together and put in there ideas in rural America this is life( and well get to that).in urban areas its different people have govt services readily available and those who are brought up that way expect a certain level of support from the government. there apples and oranges night and day. I have the belief that those who cant take care of themselves should be taken care of and those who are able to take care of them selves should. I might disagreed with you here but that's fine, I think if you decide to spend your life working hard for the survival of your family and been socially active you have basically earned the right to live as you choose. and I used the wrong words when I said hating on success but some people might look at what I have and draw some fucked up conclusions. I don't mean horde wealth and I really don't know the solution as I believe in both personal freedom and social responsibility. lol am I a social bi polar? in a perfect world man could do what he wants and take care of his fellow man as well.i unfortunately there are only so many of us that hold that belief I would I completely understand and believe that there are some who will even just be lazy and take advantage of the system and I accept it as every person cant be expected to have the same ability's,desires,ideals,drive, or what ever else might motivate people to survive. I'll even say that I'll tow the line for them but I'm only human and inside I feel that is a wasted life. that but in life we cant all do the right thing and fight the fight. I'd like to go completely solar and get off the grid but I really don't get enough sun here so whatever. I have a good sized summer garden and grow some shit I consider homeopathic like marijuana and some mushrooms and other herbs blah blah.I really probably just grow the illegal shit because its illegal and I like to think I can do whatever I want out here as were so isolated and its my personal little rebellion:) my closest neighbor is about a mile and a half away. and forget about the police or any other form of authority im far of the main road and it's hart to tell im even here. living like this brings its own reality but to me its the best way to raise my two (and Ive got plans for a bunch) children where the main influence inst commercialism that's shoved down their thoughts or MTV(no cable tv but do have shit like net-flicks if your familiar Ive set my family up so that if needed we can live on a shoestring wfor some entertainment and I bootleg the rest) but the biggest influence will be their own family.the last detail is I keep a basement apartment to help people I come across who need to be picked up for a bit, I have a friend living down there in the process of kicking heroin(which that money I talked about needing to make is paying for his medical treatment) for an added point he has some mixed racial views and we talk about that shit but as with most people I meet I find good in them(I could just be deluded but that's me) It's also a lesson in compassion for my kids.this is what I was talking about when I said make money, I do save a large amount to maybe put my kids thru collage if that's what they want. I wish we lived in a world where education was a right but we don't. if they don't i wil find some good to do with it its also a belief of mine and its just me but urban life ,while it can create amazing movements and cultural revolutions can also bing out the worst in some of society and just isnt for me.this all might sound a little nuts but its just I set out to create a good environment to raise the family with some ideals values and thru ideas I learned as a skin like solid working class life and the reward of hard work. Ive done ok, dont have any illusions that I have some sort of Utopia over here weve had plenty of typical family problems and its neither an easy or perfect life but its what ive done so far to take care of my tribe and Ive got bigger and better plans too come.I also know how lucky I am to have what I do and I do my best to "pay it forward"and if you haven't noticed already I'm a little Nuts and that's where some of the passion comes from....but it takes a special kind of crazy to do some of this shit.


Fuck me... I can't read all that lol :o I did skim over it though.. Can't say I'm happy with, nor agree with, you killing the animals but that's just me. And I didn't see anything about how you managed to afford to buy your house?

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3.voting, I agree with your sentiments of voting on a national level but locally is where you can do shit at least here. im active in local politics ive helped a neighbor with similar ideas get elected with money and time donated. I go to town meetings to stir shit up if I see some bullshit i dont like, and have been kicked out of more than one, heheh! alot of people might not like what I have to say but they've sure fucking heard me! and I helped with stupid little shit like more money for the school budget raises for teachers and whatever else comes along.


Voting doesn't even help locally. Voting never helps anything or anyone. It's a complete waste of time, and just encourages those arseholes. Besides, if I remember correctly that whole punkvoter bullshit was aimed at voting nationally at the elections, not at a local level. Towns and cities don't care about its occupants, as long as they can keep raking in the money and spending as little of it as possible then they're happy, even if it threatens the safety of the residents.

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I don't like the system but I know how to work it to get shit done and if your as passionate as you seem you should too!(if your not already)


Voting is working the system?? Yeah, working to help it maybe. I obviously don't want to do that.

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I might just be naive but I don't think politicians always start off as power hungry liars,some even start off like you and me but hears my take on it basically most start at a local level and have their own set of ideals but as it goes you cant get shit done with out getting other politicians to agree with you but your either gonna have to be real charming and sell a good idea well or more than likely their gonna have to find a compromise in their ideals to push their more important agendas.they slowly get corrupted by the system as the saying goes" dance with the devil, devil don't change, devil changes you"


That's like saying people who choose to become cops aren't power hungry at first.. of course they are! Who the fuck willingly chooses to become a cop, unless he or she wanted power and authority over others? A cop is a cop is a cop... And a politician is a politician is a politician...

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"all forms of government are inherently evil"(you might know who I'm referencing) basically meaning by the things they need to do to function there will always be some bad shit done.and that's just trying to sum it up.


I don't think he meant it like that, he was simply saying that any type of government is evil, not that 'the things they need to do to function' are evil.

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as for the alcoholism I basicly was a bad drunk with a big mouth( and a bit of a dick).


Lol I misread that, thought you were giving us a bit too much information there :P

bigblu wrote:
I do own a couple of things that might be questionable. I have an Iphone, I dont like apple very much but its a very efficent tool and despite the commercialism and corporate misgivings, I like their products for the most part, I think they charge way too much and are wrong in holding a fdeath grip on the rights to develop software. but like I said I believe things efficiency and technology are tools that are there to improve the human experience and I believe not to use the best tool for whatever your trying to accomplish is counter productive to what I consider natural evolution( and Ill get to that last)


The best tool for what? How is an iPhone the best tool? It's a pointless tool. Seriously, I don't understand why people think they even need that shit. If you want a mobile phone, then you just need it to do the basic things - call and text. Why the fuck do you need one which has other stupid shit on it, like a translator, telling you where you are on a map, reading books (are people too lazy to pick up an actual book and read it for themselves?! Fucking hell...), etc etc. It's amazing how people buy into that bullshit and honestly believe they need it!!

On top of that, Apple don't exactly have the best track record.. their products are made by Chinese workers who are treated inhumanely, so much so that some of them even committed suicide.

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I have to make compromises all the time in a capitalistic society, I have to choose to shop for the little thing that I cant provide for my self at target or walmart both corporate fuck holes.


Of course, no one can completely avoid it, but you should be doing as little as possible in such a society - buying an iPhone is not the best idea.

bigblu wrote:
I'm about to probably contradict myself but I also believe I have worked,served and even held up my ideals to enough of an extent that I have earned the right to live in the manner I desire.


That makes no sense. You could say the exact same thing about anyone else. So did Hitler have the right to kill millions of Jews just because he worked and served his ideals for long enough!?!

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@horrorpunkzombie I might not completely agree with your sentiments on punk voter I'm undecided and i just don't care any more. I'll learn to better pick my battles but I'd like to ask you if you were to create something on the internet to promote your ideals or social justice or fight against any danger to humanitys well being as best something of that sorts can. what would you do? Ive taken plenty of web design courses and java and if your as passionate about things as you say you are I'll work with you to make it happen. put your money where your mouth is! I'll even use my capitalist pig money to pay server fees. in the event that your just a complete nihilist I can respect that and not all of us can have faith so fuck it. I'm dead serious and wanna see what you can come up with. so lets go! any skills I have are at your disposal and I'll work with you on any Idea you can come up with.


What? How is me constructing a website 'putting my money where my mouth is' ?? I never said I wanted to make a website. I don't even understand this post of yours, it just came out of nowhere. As I said, I never indicated at any point that I wanted to make a website, so your post has no point. And to be honest I'm surprised you said you would pay for server costs considering you wanted more money for your family?


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Great,the great post I made on here the other day just went up someone's ass and out of their ear... or was never read to begin with. ALL OF YOU: Stop bitching! Debate sure,but when things get "personal" it's time to stop. It's fucking music,if you hate it/dislike it/whatever,you have this great option out there called "not listening." Try it,it's been used through out time,when someone cries to politicians,when a man no longer loves his wife,or when little shitheads that won't leave you alone,we use that special tactic called "not listening." If there is a band whining on the radio that happens to be labeled "pop punk" by some fat fuck CEO sitting at the top of his/her glass tower counting money,and firing employees for shits and giggles,you can simply change your radio station,plug in an MP3 player,maybe even a CD,or ye olde cassette tape; then you can blast your ear drums out with thus desired music.
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