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 Green Day, Pop Punk, and Bullshit 
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Sup everyone, I was just wondering what all of your opinions are on Green Day and other pop punk bands such as Bowling For Soup, Blink 182, etc. my personal opinion is that theyre a bunch of mindless, ignorant, pointless, stupid, retarded, wannabe poser dumbasses that can suck my ass. But I mean, thats just MY opinion :)... what do you think? ^.^

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my personal opinion is that you are a mindless, ignorant, pointless, stupid, retarded, wannabe poser dumbasses that can suck my ass. But I mean, thats just MY opinion.

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when I was like, 10 I was an avril lavigne fan. well, I grew over that(thank god). but I can't hate her for getting me into punk.

an at least there not emo fags(well, that billie joe of greenday is considarable). I think bands as my chemical romance and escape the fate, are way worse.

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26 Jun 2011, 19:33
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I don't necessarily hate bands like Green Day, Blink 182, and Bowling For Soup, but I hate the concept of pop-punk. The idea of pop-punk is a complete oxymoron, just like Christian death metal or family-friendly gangsta rap -- it's an idea that won't work, can't work, hasn't worked, and never will work. Punk is a form of music that's meant to piss of middle-class suburbanites and essentially revolt against any and all trends and social morals (just to briefly summarize punk music), so when it mixes with pop, which is nothing but trends and social morals, you might as well go see Morpheus 'cause there's been a glitch in the Matrix.

Though pop-punk bands usually don't incorporate the majority of the ideas and concepts brought upon by punk music, they try to use the "sound" of punk, but what makes punk what it is are the ideas and concepts, and if they don't use those ideas and concepts, they are not a punk band, if that makes sense. Take the Dead Kennedys, for example, my all-time favorite punk band -- all their songs incorporate political ideas and revolt against political parties and leaders of all sorts. They are known for that, and their political ideals are what make them considered as being punk. However, if you take out all the lyrics and subsequently all the ideas and leave merely the orchestration, they would probably qualify just as a regular rock band.
That being said, in pop-punk, since the bands do not incorporate the majority of the concepts and ideas as punk bands, they are basically just pop-rock bands. (Not a lot of people realize it, but instrumentally, punk and classic rock are EXTREMELY similar -- punk songs just tend to be shorter, faster, and sweeter.) Bands that qualify as pop-punk I personally think consist of very talented musicians (though I'm not a fan of any of them) -- it's just the idea of pop-punk, to me, is complete and utter bullshit, and as far as I'm concerned, doesn't exist.

But one must remember, if you really think about it, the Ramones are border-lining on pop-punk since they appeal to a larger audience, and perchance even the Sex Pistols and the Clash border-line on pop-punk as well, so one can't fully bash the idea as a whole. I'm gonna get so much shit for saying that, and probably this entire post, but that's how I've always thought of pop-punk bands.


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Terror, I can't help but to agree with you for the most part. Green Day did wonders for punk rock and if weren't for that band most of these kids today would have never been exposed to the music. The Clash (my intro back in the day) and the Ramones - for sure. Ramones invented pop-punk. Green Day was originally on Lookout Records, like Isocrocy and Op Ivy (and of course the Lookouts). They paid their dues and some people seem to think they are posers just because they are good and people of different walks of life like them. It's a good thing when punk politics reach the main stream, and green day does that.I'd be lying if I said they were my favorite band - not even close - but much respect and they are not posers. No more so than Rancid or SD. I'm going to see Blink 182 play in sept. They are opening for Rancid. I'm hoping for some transplants tunes.

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you people like rat take shit to serious, like PunkonaHorse when i was 12 i like, green day, blink 182 and bowling for soup, now that im older and into more harder and violence music. i never lost my root. when i was very young, let say 8 years old, michael jackson was the one to like. and i still moon walk to The way you make me feel. i still love Minority. whats my age again, that video is biggest fuck sociecity. 1985 come on. that song funny.

im sick of this thought that punk is a fuck you attitude, have to act hard all the time, music is music. punk is not music. if your a punk base off of music your the biggest poser ever. two favorite bands of mines, HAMMER BRO, one of Merrimack valley biggest hardcore bands, and For The Worse, One boston biggest skinhead punk as fuck bands. the singer for hammer bros and bass of for the worse both play in a pop punk band fake boys. good fucking band to. look at travis barker, drummer for pop punk band blink 182. but the dude is straight up a true Punk Rock G. Every heard of Transplant bra. That shit gangster punk rock.

my point is, like what you like and what you dont like, dont pay any attention to it. see rat is the kind of dude that has to like what his friends like. Punk all about thinking for yourself and not eat the bullshit the world tells you.

Me personally I think there all good bands, I still listen to amaerican idiot album every now and then. Doenst make me any more or less punk than you. I’ll listen shit like tears for fear, bruno mars lazy song, Jermaine Stewart We Don't Have To Take Our Clothes Off. but if you think im soft see if you can last in a pit with me.

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NO SHIT bro.
as i try to tell them feckin hardcore kids aroungd these parts, punk isnt your music but YOU. playing fast and screaming isnt punk. its being you, what you wanna be inspite of what your environmet - INCLUDING OTHER PUNKS- tells you what is right or wrong.
most the cunts in DMI listen to the same bands, have the same fucking stupid ideas and get standoffish and elitist because you dont think the same thoughts that they do. JUST LIKE THE REST OF THE FUCKING WORLD.
im not a fan of a lot of poppunk, but i can respec the fact that their making music... and their not 'ripping us off' or 'dilluting our culture' but making it stronger.

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^Sorry, do explain how these pop-punk bands make the punk scene stronger? They may help to lead some people into good punk music, but they definitely don't make the scene stronger. If anything, they make it weaker and give it a bad image. Bowling For Soup's "Punk Rock 101" for example, in the chorus he sings about 'Dickies', 'Vans', spiking your hair, etc... totally punk raawwwwwk!!!!!!

If they want to do music, fine by me, just don't label it as punk.


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like paddyskunk and i said. music doesnt make us punk. claiming punk means you think for yourself and not follow what society said have to embrass. punk is not an image. you dont have to wear torn up cloths or a studded up jean jacket or have a mohawk to claim punk. and the reason why it make it stronger because they think for them self and do what they want to do instead of following what people like you and you think punk is.

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these shitty bands, as 'unpunk' as they are, do bring to light a glimpse of life outside of the box presented by the mtv 'culture' feed. for every dipshit kid that gives blink 182 a listen, gets into their music, one outta ten might listen to some 'real' punk. get some new ideas in their skull. maybe figure out that the shitty abercrombie and fitch lifestyle isnt a way to live.

they make us stronger. just a little bit.

and, frankly, labels are more 'not-punk' than some band could ever be. stop fucking tagging things, stop fucking worrying about whos a 'poser', and do your shit the way you wanna do.

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Once you reach a certain age nothing really bothers you anymore. Sort of. I used to get all jazzed up about scenesters and hot topic kids when I was in high school, but now I could give a shit.

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This is quite hard to explain without coming across as a bit elitist, which I'm not btw. Bear with me here..

What I'm trying to say is that these bands, like Green Day, Blink 182, Sum 41, etc claim that they are punk and/or label their music as such, but they don't really exhibit 'punk' ideals and beliefs. They have music videos on MTV and whatnot, they make a ton of money and I'm sure they live in luxurious houses/villas with indoor swimming pools, are driven to their shows in limos and are put up in expensive hotels before their gigs, so all of this doens't really strike me as being "punk". You see, I'm not trying to give a definition as to what punk is and what you have to do/act like to be punk, but can you at least see where I'm coming from regarding these bands and why I feel they aren't making the scene stronger at all?


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i can definitely see where your coming from. but tell me this what is punx ideals and beliefs. as far as i know punk never had a set beliefs. punk ideals was and is not following what society said you have to orbit by and be your own individual. and im also sure that if you in a band you would not back down to be signed. im sure you won't mind make all these videos and make tons of money, have luxurious houses/villas with indoor swimming pools so you can have a big party every night, and is driven to their shows in limos, where kids who admire you, kids who are where you been when you were a kid. and are put up in expensive hotels before your gigs. I sure wouldnt mine . call me a poser or a fake. i be the fake with millions and i make a different in the world. dont be mad that they made it in life and you didnt.


now im just talking shit. if i had millions i do whatever i can to be happy and make my family and friends happy as well. if me living in a hugh house with an indoor pool would make me happy. than im living in a house hugh with an indoor poor.

here where i see your point. im to chilled to have an big house, with an indoor pool. small house with a big back yard with a poor would be just fine. i total would want to drive to the show than being droven to the show. but i be driving in my 64 chevy lowrider. wouldn't want to spend the night in a exspensive hotel. i rather sleep with a girl i picked up at the show at her house.

becuase you live your life a way doesnt mean their way isn't punk. and like we keep saying over and over again, if you gonna base punk off of the music, that sad.


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This is what I mean about me coming across as elitist, because it sounds as though I'm trying to give a solid definition as to what punk is when that's not really what I'm trying to do...

This whole 'poser' issue is a little confusing, because if punk is about 'not having rules' then how can you call someone a poser? Technically, then, you are suggesting punk DOES in fact have rules and if someone doesn't subscribe to them, they're a poser. It's a contradiction. However, by that logic, ANYONE can be punk. I could just as well call Britney Spears a punk, or George Bush, or Tony Blair... and I'm sure you would reply with "Don't be fucking stupid". So if you're gonna question why I feel that pop punk bands like Blink 182 are 'posers', then you should also question why you think Britney Spears isn't a punk - it's the same thing.

As for 'what punk is about', I think these lyrics from A//Political best sum it up:
"Punk is a revolution within itself, a revolution within our minds, an expression of anger towards this hateful humynkind. Punk has no boundries on class, age or race, or any other bigotries society creates."

Also, just to clarify, I'm not basing punk off of the music at all. This thread is about pop punk music/bands, so that's why I'm only mentioning music.


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I understand your frustration and I get where you're coming from. A lot of these bands are "Sell outs" in the way that they are doing it for the fame and fortune or at least one could gather that. However, some of these bands with all their faults do try to still hold true to the punk ethos of speaking out against government(green day, anti-flag) and trying to show that there are bigger issues in this world than what kind of outfit you should buy for the senior prom or whatever. I cannot however vouch for artists like avril lavigne. I don't understand at all why she would be considered punk when she clearly just seems like a dumb yuppy bitch, but whatever. To each his/her own. Anyway, I digress a bit. In the end we are all human and nobody's forcing anyone to listen to that god awful music, so you should be happy that you slipped from the mainstream and are your own person. It's nice being liberated isn't it?

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I just thought I'd help you guys out by pointing out that Rancid, NoFX, Bad Religion, The Casualties, Anti-Flag, Sex Pistols as well as a shit ton of other bands I'm sure all of you listen to now fit into this category as well. Fat Mike sold his house for 5 million dollars, and that was like 7 fuckin years ago, imagine how much money that fat fuck has now? Makes me sick, it truly does. We care about the poor... but not enough to do anything.


Have you Realized that Rock Stars
Always seem to lie so much?
John Lydon once said he cared
But he never really gave a fuck
Said he'd use the money he made
So that people would have somewhere to go
But now he lives in the USA
and Snorts Coke after the Show.

Why is it that Rock Stars
Always seem to lie so much?
Joe Strummer once said he cared,
but he never really gave a fuck
Said he'd use the money he made
To set up a radio station to make the
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You must realize that Rock Stars
Always seem to lie so much
Some will always tell you that they care,
But they don't really give a fuck,
Still you suckers don't ever learn
That rock stars deal in money not truth
It's good Business to exploit you
Just look at Lydon or Strummer for Proof.

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I dislike them because they are dishonest, no other reason. Honesty is the only virtue left in this world, if you don't have it, you don't have anything.

Punk, in my opinion, is a meaningless word. Individuality already describes what you guys are talking about, why invent another word to describe the exact same thing? There is something very wrong with these assholes that make millions by talking about innocent people starving and dying while doing nothing to help, but it definitely isn't the fact that they aren't 'punk'. I don't think Matt Damon is punk, but he's still a hell of a lot better than Tim Armstrong and Fat Mike, atleast he is doing something with his money to help disgustingly poor people around the world. That's why 'punk' is a useless term. Tim Armstrong might be the punkest guy around, but he's still the capitalistic scum of the earth.

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^Yeah I am aware of bands like The Casualties, Rancid, etc who are just as bad (or worse, if anything) as these pop punk bands but I don't listen to them personally, I've just never liked their music that much. I agree with pretty much everything you said there, I mean you get The Casualties singing about working class soldiers with the lyrics "the rich fucking laugh and profit from the war" - yeah ok, and what exactly are you and your band doing? Making people believe that 'punk' is about the fashion and getting pissed and making a profit from that. They're total hypocrites. I could keep going with these guys, they make 'punk' worse than these pop bands do.

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Wow makes me feel like a BIG fucking capitalist scumbag. I had no idea that Fat Mike of NoFX had so much money. I listen to every type of Punk music out there from those "poppy poser" bands like Sum 41 all the way to Hardcore bands like Defiance,circle Jerks,etc. I listen to whatever I like,if that makes me a scumbag capitalist scumbag so be it. I'm not gonna pretend to not like these bands,to be "Mr. Hardcore" cuz I'm not, I never claimed to be hardcore. Whatever happened to forming your own ideas of the world,and not giving a fuck about what anyone else says? Integrity anyone? I'll keep my shitty,wanna-be,pop punk,sellout,capitalist punk music. Who said I ever paid for it?
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and thats why i only *buy* music from the bands that still have to run their own merch table. it makes me all warm and fuzzy to hand the frontman for a group a 20 for a couple of cds lol.

bottom line tho, props to those capitalist fucks for getting ahead. but in the end they gotta live with their choices, WE dont. so if tim armstrong decides he needs a bigger house rather than giving soup to those railpunk kids down @ the local 7-11, fuckit bro. his karma, right?

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The Desiderata 1927 poem by max ehrmann

Go placidly amid the noise and haste,
and remember what peace there may be in silence.

As far as possible without surrender
be on good terms with all persons.
Speak your truth quietly and clearly;
and listen to others,
even the dull and the ignorant;
they too have their story.
Avoid loud and aggressive persons,
they are vexations to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others,
you may become vain or bitter;
for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.
Keep interested in your own career, however humble;
it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.
Exercise caution in your business affairs;
for the world is full of trickery.
But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;
many persons strive for high ideals;
and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.
Especially, do not feign affection.
Neither be cynical about love;
for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment
it is as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years,
gracefully surrendering the things of youth.
Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.
But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings.
Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline,
be gentle with yourself.
You are a child of the universe,
no less than the trees and the stars;
you have a right to be here.
And whether or not it is clear to you,
no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God,
whatever you conceive Him to be,
and whatever your labors and aspirations,
in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams,
it is still a beautiful world.
Be cheerful.
Strive to be happy.


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