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What are your thoughts on the Europeans invading Western/American Native's land. Then taking away their rights, and I think you know most of the rest.

14 Jul 2011, 21:21
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They weren't living in modern civilization. So they lost the battle for land. They should have been prepared and kept up with the times.

14 Jul 2011, 23:28
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considering that 'im a piece of shit' logo in your sig line, that answer isnt suprising @ all.
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14 Jul 2011, 23:48
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The logo that is my signature shows that I am proud of my ancestry. White Pride is different from White power. Of course ignorant dick-holes will never realize that. Europe also contained Spaniard and even Asian citizens. Those people aren't necessarily "White".

I'm 1/4 Hispanic. Try again. Thank you for posting a off topic piece of shit without reasoning. Why don't you share your opinion on the original topic Crust asked and not my signature?


15 Jul 2011, 00:09
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Crasshole, that brain cell of yours must be REALLY lonely.

"White Pride" implies you dont have the intelligence to realize youre using a symbol propagated by the AB (thats Aryan Brotherhood, just so ya kno ;) ).
"White Pride" also implies that youre too lazy to research the origins of your surname at the least, or your ancestry. 'White' is not an ethnic group, does not have an ancestral or historical culture. "White" is a moniker used by ignorant fucks who believe in White Mans Burden, the Third and Fourth Reich, and Ethnic Purity.

All things that no intelligent, rational human being would feasably find pride in.
If youre quarter hispanic, why the fuck are you fronting *anything* used by a group of inbred cunts that would hate you on principal, for being, and i begrudgingly use their foul fucking term to emphasize the point, a 'mongrel'. they take 'pride' in degrading people like yourself.

now before i tell you where to stick my lack of reason, i will inform you of my pride in being Scotch-Irish, and all of the history and culture that i found to be my heritage while doing just a little basic research into both family tree and the origins of my given and surnames.

with that said, there was no battle, no declaration of war, no fucking quarter when it came to European subjugation the Native Americans. There was no chance of preparation, or 'keeping up with the times' it was the Spanish, French and Anglo-Saxon doing their damnedest to commit genocide on a peaceful native population. it was systematic rape of a diverse and beautiful culture considered by an invading force to be backwards ignorant and savage.

Keep in mind that the Native American tribes didnt engage in mindless and petty wars over ethnicity, religion or politics. they didnt waste their resources, or turn this continent into a fucking shithole. they didnt force ideals onto others, didnt infect people with diseases in order to decimate a population, didnt rape in order to breed out an ethnic group.

Thats all garbage that 'White' people do and if you take pride in THAT then you are a massive piece of shit.

So, White Trash World Wide, if you've managed to get past all the multi-syllabic words to reach this point good for you. Youre still ignorant.

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Of course ignorant dick-holes will never realize that. Europe also contained Spaniard and even Asian citizens. Those people aren't necessarily "White".


BTW: Spain, being the Nation in which Spaniards come from, is in Europe. Spaniards are European, ie :Caucasian. Aside from some small amounts of interbreeding with Moorish occupants in the middle ages, they're generally a 'White' people. :o

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15 Jul 2011, 06:11
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Get the fuck off Wikipedia and just post a simple opinion on the subject. Is that so hard? Shut the fuck up about Europe and white power.

Post your opinion in your first post and don't start stupid bullshit on my thread. Okay?


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CrustGrrrl wrote:
Get the fuck off Wikipedia and just post a simple opinion on the subject. Is that so hard? Shut the fuck up about Europe and white power.

Post your opinion in your first post and don't start stupid bullshit on my thread. Okay?


She's right. If you want to go on about white power and europe make another topic.

Anyway. That's just how it was back then. There was lots of land and people needed space for colenies and convicts. The Native Americans put up a fight and they lost, thats just how it is.


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Sorry, but racism and ignorance have no designated forum in which to be opposed. it will be fought on every front in every way.
Period. No Banter, No Barter, No Quarter.
Crassholes opinion on the matter is very ill informed. Joined with his belief in white pride, he looks like a supremesist.

the fact that 'thats the way it is' gives what happened to a people ZERO credence. its WRONG and unless you take the time to learn of the past youre doomed to repeat its mistakes. there no way to truly change the past, but you sure as fuck can work to prevent it again.

if an opinion beyond 'that sucks' is too much for you, too bad.

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I'm ashamed, of the things my ancestors did. murdering people because they are defending their own freedom is wrong.
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Natives were not completely peaceful people as some seem to believe, we warred amongst ourselves long before the coming of the Europeans. But actually, even that was made worse when white people came because they brought us horses, which started the biggest internal wars my people had ever known, not to mention the war with the Europeans.

Crasshole, you're a dumbass and obviously know very little about human evolution. 'keeping up with the times' in this case assumes only an advanced knowledge of how to kill and exploit your brothers and sisters, which is little to be proud of, in my opinion. We were quite advanced in peace, every war that happened between us had a fucking reason, or it was one-sided, we weren't always trying simply to rape our neighbours whenever the opportunity arose. Ofcourse, all that is changed now due to conditioning. And being 1/4 hispanic and having White Pride just makes you more of an idiot...

My problem isn't really what happened way back in the day, but with the war that is being waged against my race to this day. It's a war of social conditioning, the new Western war effort involves making people believe they have no chance to change or that there is no purpose in changing. My brothers and sisters grow up on reservations being handed everything they don't need, fed a diet of drugs and alcohol for their young lives, and lo and behold they grow up into addicts and drunkards. We do not have to work for anything, which makes us for the most part, useless people with empty dreams. This sounds like racism, like I hate my own race, but it is the effect of social conditioning and nothing more. Many of my people are aware of this problem and make it their business to distance themselves from these effects, which is how I've always been taught. I've never once used my status card to avoid taxes or get cheap gas, and I'm paying my own way through school though I could have gotten it paid for in full, and I work to provide for myself and girlfriend, though I could take my living expenses out of tax-payer money. I've never lived on a reservation for free, or accepted any of those random gifts they give to natives for no fucking reason whatsoever. Because I am my own man, I don't want something that I haven't earned. And if I think someone owes me something, I take it.



And actually, Miss Pessimistic, my ancestors were very helpful to the early European visitors. They even helped cure them of scurvy, in fact Europe had no idea at that time what caused or cured scurvy, Jacques Cartier's entire second voyage would have fallen to the disease, instead he is known as the founder of Canada. My ancestors did everything they could to make peace with these newcomers, welcomed them with open arms to their lands. The war was started by a people who did not want to share, and it was not the brown people. My people put up a fight once your people started raping and murdering them, and not a second earlier. White people used the knowledge that brown people gave them willingly to steal their land and force them into subjugation. This was not a two-sided war, no matter how you look at it. I'm not trying to say every native american was friendly and wanted to make peace with the Europeans, many wanted to kill them on sight. What I am saying is that the ones who wanted to kill them on sight were operating under the same mindset as the Europeans, they wanted the land all to themselves. The difference is that we didn't let these people get into high ranks. My ancestors realized that putting your most ambitious and violent member in a position of authority is fucking retarded.

"That's just how it is" is a very ignorant opinion of history, and I believe it is only your opinion in this case because you are a part of the victorious race. If Hitler had won would that just be how it is? Hitler would still be a fuckin jerk whether or not he won, and by the same logic, the people who started that war are fuckin jerks regardless of the fact that they won. Let us learn from history, and differentiate between good and bad examples, not simply say "Derp, that happened in histry so must be right."

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15 Jul 2011, 19:36
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Ripvil. Why aren't you the forum Mod? Seriously. You have the most backed up and reasonable posts.

15 Jul 2011, 19:43
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Lol, thanks, but me modding never goes over well... Apparently no one likes being stfu'd by a mod, I've gotten complaints on every forum I've ever had admin/mod powers on. Except Jesp, but that was invite-only and we were basically all friends, actually trying to learn from our arguments and not just 'win'.
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17 Jul 2011, 21:37
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Anyone else find the implication in the initial question funny? The question is posed so as to seem like it wants differing points of view. But it is asked in a way that clearly puts blame solely on the side of the Europeans. Surely there is a lot of blame to go around. And much of that blame falls on the part of the Europeans. But indiginous Americans were not what any sane person would call innocent. A common example of how history has been distorted is the claim that the indiginous peoples didn't realize they were engaging in land treaties and were swindled. This is an extremely racist viewpoint. It implies that the indiginous people were at worst stupid, and at best niaeve. The Indians were no strangers to land transfers, be it through conquest (which the Europeans engaged in) or barter (which the Europeans engaged in.) To say that indiginous peoples accepted the goods that the Europeans offered in exchange for land rights is to imply that they are stupid. If a developer comes into your neighborhood and offers you $500,000, and you assume is a no strings attached gift, then you deserve to have your house taken aqay. The fact is that in almost every case the Indian nation or village who accepted the barter was simply dissatisfied with the results. And in fairness, in many instances they had every right to be. In MANY cases the Indians were swindled. However, to act as if this made the Europeans uniquely evil is just dishonest. Since humans began bartering, both parties have always tried to get the upper hand on the other side. If the Europeans are evil for trying to get the best deal for themselves, then the Indians are evil for trying to get the best deals for themselves amongst the various nations, and for doing the same thing with the Europeans. By the same token, the Europeans did not have a monopoly on violence. To say so is beyond ignorant. There were unprovoked attacks from both sides, but even worse were the escalations on both sides. The mindset was very much that expressed in the "Chicago Way" in The Untouchables. Just consider scalping. Hardly the peaceful and noble way of life that Indian apologists like to present. The fact remains that blaming the White Man entirely for the situation (as the author of the original post clearly does) is no more ignorant than blaming the Red Man completely. No matter how stupid the reason, the situation was a war, and War is Hell. The biggest difference between the two sides of the story is that Western Europeans and their descendants have a feature that is unique to them amongst every other group that has ever lived. And that is cripiling guilt and self-loathing. The vast majority of Indian apologists in modern society are Caucasians. You do not see any Indians defending the nobler actions of the European immigrants. This cripling guilt is seen elsewhere. Slavery was an evil and disgusting travesty, and no decent White person says otherwise. And yet what you don't hear is Black people apologizing for (or even admitting) that the VAST majority of the slave trade on the African continent was done by Black men. So as with every situation, the story of what happened to the indiginous people of the Americas was written by the victors. However, in this instance it was written by the victors as an apology for those who lost.

P.S. I'm certainly not saying that the "victors" here were right, and I'm not endorsing a might makes right attitude. It's just that most objective analysies show the White man as coming out on top.


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What...? My ancestors couldn't read your language. Your ancestors made them sign contracts. They did not understand what the hell a contract was. Derp, that's unfair business practice. Naive is the right word, for both them and you. If I invented a new type of contract where everything was written in braille around a stick and you holding the stick means that you agree, and then I tell you to hold the stick... should that make me the new owner of your house, because that's what my braille stick says? No, that's fuckin dumb.

Do you honestly believe they knew they were signing their land away? For what, fur, firearms, alcohol? You are a moron if you think the natives were that stupid. They were, however, naive enough not to suspect that that little piece of paper with an X on it would be used to justify stealing their lands... because from their perspective it would have been fuckin insane to suspect that, equivalent to a paranoid delusion... except they would have been right. And actually some of them did suspect it, which would be the source of "There were unprovoked attacks from both sides," the difference is that Natives didn't go to Europe and kill Europeans, they killed the people who brought them diseases that killed thousands, weapons and drugs that killed thousands more... a little different than the unprovoked attacks on these people within their own lands who did not kill thousands of your people.


And an Indian is someone from India... obviously. A 500-year-old ignorance is still ignorance 500 years later, you know...

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Ripvil,

No, what is stupid is your analogy. First off, it didn't prove your point. It didn't address the payment I mentioned, which was the entire point of the argument you were attempting to refute. This disproves your moronic statement "because from their perspective it would have been fuckin insane to suspect that, equivalent to a paranoid delusion... except they would have been right." The reason this is SO stupid is because it is not paranoid to think that someone wants something in return for the coveted thing that they just gave you. Calling that parnoid takes an incredibly massive amount of stupidity. Your argument seems to be predicated on the idea that the Indians were either extremely corrupt, extremely stupid, or both. This is remarkably racist (and more so since they are your own ancestors.) First off, firearms would have been extremely valuable. Obviously, most of the other nations did not have firearms at the time, and therefore firearms would have been invaluable in defending yourself from aggresive neighbors, or in invading if you were an aggressive neighbor. If someone gives you something of great value to yourself and you expect nothing in return, you are extremely stupid. If you take the valuable thing for no reason and offer nothing in return, you are probably corrupt. Either way, we know neither of those are the case, as trade existed in and amongst the Indian nations. Considering the relationships amongst many of the nations, there is no credible way to argue that they did not know when they were being swindled. Furthermore, we have recorded history that debunks your nonsensical claims. All land was bought, not simply signed away as you are eager to lie about. Plymouth not only gained consent from the Indians living there at the time, the consent was IMMEDIATE. English settlement in the Connecticut valley was acctually ENCOURAGED. The English settlement served as an obstacle against the ambitions of the Pequot. Futhermore, there was an excedingly large area of land, and a relatively minute number of Indians living in the area of the original British colonies. Furthermore, most of the original settlers allowed the Indians to continue to hunt and fish on the land they had bought. Furthermore, when disputes arose, New England courts commonly ruled in favor of the Indians. This means that not only were Indians recognized as being able to sue in court, but THEY WERE COMMONLY RULED IN FAVOR OF! Now some settlers did feel that when they "discovered" new land they were able to stake a claim on it. However whenever this happened, the land was promptly returned to them. The most important point is that a Communist like yourself should be 100% on board with what the Europeans did. You favor the abolition of all property, including and esspecially land ownership. Therefore the Europeans didn't "take" the land, as they couldn't, there's no ownership. You have also argued on this forum that in favor of unchecked immigration, so immigrants swarming in without the consent of the current inhabitants should be something you love. And yet you seem willing to sell out your beliefs when it is Europeans who benefit...

Additionally, your claim that Indians never struck first is the definition of a lie. There were countless instances of unprovoked violence. There are instances of settlers living with Indians for extended periods after having signed a treaty, and just one day up and slaughtering the villagers. Indians consistantly killed women and children. Furthermore, rape was a common practice. They killed unarmed missionaries, who, regardless of your view on Christianity, posed no immediate harm. The Indians were genocidial long before any European set foot in America. Just look at the practice of scalping. Even if you accept your idiotic and debunked idea that violence was justified, the violence was beyond sadistic. The aggressor Indian nations (and not all of them were aggressors, liked to kill, pillage, and rape. If they hadn't been attacking the Euopeans (and again, they often times attacked unprovoked) they would have been attacking other nations. Finally, your justifications for the attacks are easily in the top 100 stupidest things ever said or typed. 1.) The diseases were brought completely unintentionally. The nonsense idea that smallpox were spread through blankets has been refuted academically repeatedly, and anyone with a brain realizes that the Europeans' understanding of germ theory wasn't advanced enough for them to have concieved such attacks. The weapons and drugs were begged for by the Indians. They could not get enough. Blaming the people who provided the goods that they were begged to provide shows you are a truly disgusting individual with no integrity. The only semi-truthful nugget in that mineshaft of retardation you posted here is that the Indians did not kill thousands of "my" people. They killed tens of thousands.

Which raises another point. You refer to "your" people and "your" ancestors. All of my ancestors were off the boat in the late nineteenth/early twentieth century. But nothing else you said was true, why should this be any different?

Finally, you're right. Indians are from India. Indians are also from the Americas. Just like French Toast French Fries are not from France, Danishes are not from Denmark, Canadian Bacon is not from Canada. Or were you ignorant of these examples. It were certainly appear so, making you ignorant and stupid. Misnomers are incredibly common. The name given to the peoples residing on North America when Columbus landed here had no collective name. So when Columbus applied the name Indian (incorrectly, obivously) this became their name. If you can contradict this and provide an name used collectively by all of the nations of North America at the time than I will apologize and retract my use of the word. But since you can't (since there wasn't) I won't. I see no reason to stop using a word that does no harm, and serves no purpose other than to be politically correct. If I'm not mistaken, you've railed against political correctness in this very forum. However, that would fit, as you are an idiot. But most importantly, "Native American" is a misnomer. I am a native American. I am native to America, I was born in the United States, and therefore qualify as a native. And if that somehow doesn't work for me, than it doesn't work for your people (or any Indian's) as they emigrated and crossed the Bering Strait to get here. So furthermore, I'm not going to lie here, something you are not only comfortable doing, but seem to need to do.


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Dude this thread has been over 4 for days. Your logic is all fucking bullshit, and you lost an argument. Now leave the thread and kill yourself.

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Dude this thread has been over 4 for days. Your logic is all fucking bullshit, and you lost an argument. Now leave the thread and kill yourself.

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I don`t know how someone who put "white trash world wide" logo can still be on a site like this,and the guys like he/she should be banned!!! You all said lots of bullshit,except paddyskunk from you all can learn something,so don`t speak about serious debates becouse your posts are not,you all sound childish,read something,learn something,live some real life and than you just might speak about topic like this!!!

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White pride and White power are different. Also this is a free forum where any ideas can be posted. Please stay on subject of the matter Makrus, you deserved to be banned for being an off topic douche.

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Crasshole,

a.) My most recent post came 21 hours after the previous post. Unless, you're a denizen of the time cube, this is certainly not 4 days.
b.) Care to explain exactly how my "logic" is "fucking bullshit"? I suspect you don't since you have the intellect of a newborn. Firstly, I suspect that you, being the piece of brain dead lawn furniture that you are are citing my refutations of ripvil's claims as "logic." This is because you are stupid. My posits were, by and large, what are known as "facts." Another example of a fact would be "The punksandskins poster known as crasshole should be placed on a ventilator, as he is too stupid to breathe on his own." That being said, even on the occasions where I did apply logic, you failed to explain how it was "fucking bullshit." This is clearly due to the fact that you are unable to, just like any other vegatable.
c.) I would strongly suggest a change of your handle from "crasshole" to "cretard," as it fits you much, much better.


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