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 Where do you draw the line in what Oi! you listen to? 
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Post  Where do you draw the line in what Oi! you listen to?
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As far as a personal political standpoint.

Personally, as someone who is generally very liberal, the most right leaning band I will listen to is Combat 84. I've met really nice non-rascist skins who in admist of lots of reggae and soul, also enjoy some RAC bands.

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25 Sep 2011, 00:57
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Post  Re: Where do you draw the line in what Oi! you listen to?

I draw the line when the band exhibit/promote dangerous beliefs, which are obviously against my own. I refuse to listen to racist and neo-nazi bands for the simple reason that they are exactly who I am trying to fight. You are actually helping these bands when you listen to them, something which is VERY dangerous. I don't understand AT ALL how a non-racist could listen to RAC/nazi bands. You are still helping them carry on even if you don't actually buy their music.

Why say you're anti-racist and then listen to a band like Skrewdriver? Complete contradiction. Especially when, if you were to bump into one of them on the street, they wouldn't hesitate to beat you up and probably leave you for dead.


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i only listen to bands that i know arent racist , but i always find with oi lately that one band is friends with right wing bands or they have sexist songs like the business so i find im going of it atm , there's a good oi band called gimp fist though i know they arent racist , i don't think cockney rejects are either
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Agreed, folks! I don't listen to a ton of oi, but as long as I don't object to their message, I'll listen. That definitely includes racist messages, and even if I find them overly-conservative I just can't quite stomach it... but there's a pansy liberal for ya ;)

I actually do enjoy the Business, but then again I hadn't listened to a ton of their stuff before they came through my town. I'd actually gone to support my boyfriend's band, who were opening for them. And damn, it was quite the show. I'll always remember watching that drunk seven-foot tall skinhead jump offstage and faceplant right into the floor...shudder

But yeah they were incredibly nice! There was this blind guy in the crowd, and he was getting shoved around quite a bit, just because people had no idea, so Micky asked everyone to stand still for a sec so this guy could climb up onstage and sit next to him for the rest of the show. It was kinda sweet :)

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@ NrrdGrrl i like a few of the buisness's songs but then i found a one that is quiet sexist in my opinion called get ya tits out or something disgusting like that so i went of them . i don't mind a few songs though and they have openly said there against racism which is a good thing lol . but i like the angellic upstarts aswell and they sometimes get classed as a oi band :-)
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Lol yeah, it's tough to keep on liking a band when you encounter something distasteful. Especially if you've really liked them up to that point! I think I've had that happen a few times, at least!
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yeah same with me i used to be a fan of the exploited when i was younger now i dislike them and a band called the 4skins and a few over bands tbh , but its all a part of finding stuff out about the music and stuff really i cant complain ive got a bit of money of selling cd's and patches and stuff on ebay of bands i dont like now haha
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Post  Re: Where do you draw the line in what Oi! you listen to?

As a conservative, I have gotten to where I absolutely cannot stand the liberal and pop punk going on out there now, but still like a few of them and completely disagree with their politics. That being said, I listen to all type of Oi! from a far left band like the Oppressed to an occasional Skrewdriver album. If the song itself is not outwardly racist, I will at least give it a listen. In my opion, the best Oi! out there is not political at all.

05 Nov 2011, 03:42
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A conservative? Lmao

cartersvillealex wrote:
If the song itself is not outwardly racist, I will at least give it a listen.


What does that matter? If the band is racist, then you shouldn't be listening to them at all.

And most oi! bands that 'aren't political' are usually nationalist and racist scum who hide under the term "apolitical".


05 Nov 2011, 14:57
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Post  Re: Where do you draw the line in what Oi! you listen to?

horrorpunk-zombie wrote:
A conservative? Lmao


So exactly what do you mean?

So by your rational, you must only listen to far left commie bands, since by your statements, it is not possible to be a conservative and not racist, and since any band that is not commie bullshit is racist. Does that basically sum it up?


05 Nov 2011, 15:18
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I mean "laugh my ass off, you are a conservative"

What rationale? I simply said that what does it matter if a song isn't outwardly racist, when the band itself fucking are? You support them by listening to them you know. And how did you get that I only listen to 'far left commie' bands from that? Lol. I don't listen to right wing racist shit in any case, unlike yourself obviously, so if you want to call it 'far left commie' then go ahead, that's what I expect from a narrow-minded conservative anyway.

I never said it's not possible to be a conservative and not racist but you did kinda prove that anyway with your response to the "Is it racist?" topic. Good job bringing back up a topic that's over 2 months old by the way.


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I dont get why people listen to bands that are against there own beliefs , e.g. im finding out more about bands i used to love that i now hate as ive found out there sexist scum , i mean a band might say oh i believe this band is shit and i mght disagree e.g. crass disliking the clash but i still like both bands but when it comes to bands been racist and sexist i couldnt listen to them as they support that and im against it .
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WOW! Someone has some balls with saying shit like that about the left wing on this site. I myself are very Left wing,and that's only when I give a shit,otherwise fuck all forms of government,they all get corrupt at one point or another,but we all need some kind of order because most of us become animals without it. Anyway I really give a hand to horrorpunk-zombie for that last post,that was honestly a great comeback. I could give a fuck less on political views,but when you start saying shit like "far left commie bands" that offends me,and degrades my opinion of conservatives even further from going from "Bible thumping,I only care about myself and my money" to "bible thumping,I only care about myself and my money,and since you are left wing your a commie." Now to get back to the topic! I love the Oi! band Cock Sparrer,and with all the research I did on that band I know they are not racist, but they are pretty right wing. In the song "Get a Rope" They mention "We're sick and tired of your liberal views...." I to am against bands that are racist,sexist,and nationalistic. It's one thing to be a patriot,but mindlessly waving a flag is way to much for me. With that being said could anyone point me in the way of some non racist,non sexist Oi! bands so I can take a journey into the Oi! genre some more?
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09 Nov 2011, 22:54
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@ anarchopunk00 a non racist and sexist oi band is gimp fist , and also the angellic upstarts get classed as oi sometimes . But argh cock sparrer are a bit dodgey ive heard stuff about them that has put me off them like they have links to the NF and stuff and the lyrics
"England belong's to me
A nation's pride the dirty water on the rivers
No one can take away our memory
Oh Oh, England belongs to me "
can seem a bit dodgey but its your own opinion on them that matters :-)

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10 Nov 2011, 19:46
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Are you guys gonna tell me you don't listen to Black Flag? Have you seen the cover of Slip it In? Lol, have you seen the live performance of Slip It In(1984)? Why does everyone think Kira left the band?

What about the Angry Samoans? Personally, I fuckin love the Samoans, one of my favourites of all time. They have a couple songs that are pretty homophobic, one is completely about their homophobia "Homosexual".

Darby Crash encouraged homophobia all the time, and was often openly racist. Is it ok to spread homophobia because you're gay, ok to be racist because you dated a black guy and your best friend is half black? Or are you guys just turning a blind eye on that one?

These are just a few that were open about it, if you listen to punk from the 70's-80's, it's a safe assumption that atleast a couple of the members were sexists or homophobes, whether or not they discussed it. Does that make their music shitty? Or you a homophobe for listening to it? I also love the work of Richard Wagner, does that make me anti-semitic? Should I lie to myself and pretend he hasn't written some of the most epic songs of all time simply because I disagree with him about racial morality? Come on, that's silly...

It makes sense not to listen to a song about racism, sexism, homophobia, etc. I don't listen to that Samoans song "homosexual", because I don't like anything about it. But I'll be damned if I'm gonna stop listening to all the killer songs they've written and performed simply because Metal Mike is a douche.

I disagree on atleast a few matters with every single author whose work I've read(Except Carl Sagan, ofcourse), but I wouldn't be who I am without all of those people. And I haven't become racist through having read a few racist passages, but I've gained shit tons of knowledge because I didn't put those books down after learning the author was racist or whatever the case may be.

Thomas Paine and Jefferson were slave owners, but where the fuck would we be without them? That's a real question, there's no rhetoric in there. Does anyone honestly think it would have been wise to have ignored those men? England ignored(and jailed) Thomas Paine, look where it got them. Still paying millions of dollars that they don't have to support a defunct hereditary monarchy, fucking ridiculous... Atleast they didn't listen to asshole slave-owning Thomas Paine though, amiright? That would have been immoral. :roll:

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Thanks Rosie punx,I will look into those bands for sure. I do listen to Black Flag, and I happen to own every single EP and album they ever made.Slip it in is one of my least favorites of all of their albums,mainly because I'm more of a fan of Keith Morris on vocals. Darby of the germs was one of the biggest d-bags in the punk world,but I still listen to the germs. I'm not saying I avoid the band entirely,but I avoid those songs. I understand what your saying,but if we all think about the punk world,many things that we believe in,stand against,etc are contradictions to our way of thinking,not all of us think the same,but the ideas are pretty close.
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when you listen to a band who support different ideals to your own it can be looked at as you are supporting there ideals as you are supporting there band by listening to them , in a way i will admit i am contradicting myself as i listen to crass but i dont agree with everything they say , and sometimes people listen to a band just cause they like the music , im not critisising people or anything by what im saying .
But i like black flag i havent seen live performances of slip it in though :-S

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I just went looking on youtube and apparently the video was taken down. I read a bunch of comments bitching about Greg Ginn filing a copyright claim, but I don't know how much merit there is to that. The video was of the song slip it in and Henry dances infront of Kira in uh... I'd say an inappropriate manner, but that doesn't really communicate how I feel about it. He like thrusts towards her from a foot or two away over and over and all this shit lol, the whole time she's just avoiding eye-contact, it's really awkward, but pretty funny at the same time mostly because he's wearing these sick tight black shorts. Lol, but you can tell he was doing it to spite her, pretty much, he was being an asshole on purpose. I'll post the video if I can find it somewhere else, but just read these lyrics and tell me they aren't sexist.

There's also an interview with Kira which I can't find either right now where she explains she left the band after Slip it in because she thought it was obviously sexist and when she confronted the guys about it they didn't say shit, definitely didn't deny that they were being sexist.

"Hey mama. Come on, come on."
"I don't know."
"Come on, come on. This is it."
"I kinda got a boyfriend."
"No, no. This is happening. This is the time, now."
"Uh, oh, ok!"
"Alright, come on, go, go..."

You're loose
(Slip it in)
Put your brain in a noose
(Slip it in)
The next day you regret it
(Slip it in)
But, you're still loose

You say you don't want it
You don't want it
Say you don't want it
Then you slip it on in

In, in, in

You feel like a whore
(Slip it in)
But what you did the night before
(Slip it in)
You decided to be all loose
(Slip it in)
And go all crazy

You say you don't want it
You don't want it
Say you don't want it
But then you slip it on in

In, yeah

You slip it in [x2]

You say you didn't think
(Slip it in)
You said you had too much to drink
(Slip it in)
Is it in the chemical?
(Slip it in)
Or is it just some part of you?

You say you don't want it
You don't want it
Say you don't want it
But then you slip it on in

In, in, in

You regret how you felt
(Slip it in)
You felt it
(Slip it in)
You decided to be all loose
(Slip it in)
It's what you choose

You say you don't want it
You don't want it
Say you don't want it
But then you slip it on in

You slip it in [x2]

Alright! Hey! Hey!

You say you got a boyfriend
(Slip it in)
But you're hinting at my friends
(Slip it in)
And everybody else's friend
(Slip it in)
You're not loose, you're wide open

And you say you don't want it
You don't want it
Say you don't want it
Then you slip it on in

In, in, in

You're getting around
(Slip it in)
I'm not putting it down
(Slip it in)
It's just what it is
(Slip it in)
Getting it while it's around

You say you don't want it
You don't want it
You don't want it
But then you slip it on in

In, in, in

You slip it in [x2]

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I don't understand how there is anything "dodgy" about Cock Sparrer. In my opinion, they have the most down to earth, reasonable, passioniate and just dead on lyrics of any Oi! or street rock band to date. They're just good blokes. I'd say it's a given that England Belongs To Me is somewhat toungue in cheek. There's nothing wrong with being proud of where your from, as long as you don't apply any the EDL/rascist nonsense. I also think it's totally valid that they all love england for the culture, regardless of how shit the current government is(and it always will be). They just speak for the average man/women, and do a fine job in my opinion.

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@ Ripvil Oh some of them lyrics are rather sexist :-( im quiet a big fan of some black flag stuff aswell , bit gutted about that and was the female singer on the song slip it in out of a band called L7 aren't they a riot grrl band ? they support feminism and everything .
But @ wellsick i read somewhere that the band members of cock sparrer drink at racist pubs and ive heard odd other things that link them to bnp and edl etc. so i stay a bit clear of them , but ypur opinion is your opinion :-)

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